There is no way I am putting proprietary hardware and especially proprietary software into my brain.
A blind/paralyzed person might feel a bit differently about that. Healthy people getting brain implants for fun is quite far in the future. That is not the intended usecase for Neuralink at this time.
Sure but experimental technology is still pretty risky, especially with Musk’s companies tendency to cover up any issues. Ending up brain damaged on top of blind and paralyzed would be a nightmare.
A blind person? Sure - there are ways to “cure” blindness by inserting chips into the brain, so I’ll give them a pass. Paralyzed people, on the other hand, won’t regain control of their own limbs, only have external actuators respond to their thoughts - we already had that technology. We’ve had it for decades, without the need of a brain implant.
blind/paralyzed person might feel a bit differently about that.
Yeah, because they’re forced into that position due to circumstance.
Which is exactly why able-bodied people should be free to criticise this model and call for open source alternatives.
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I agree, but years ago most of us would have said something similar when asked to carry around a device that will track your position everywhere you go. Now we all do that, because smartphones are just so convenient.
I use custom degoogled rom and custom DNS server on my phone, so I minimized the tracking to minimum.
Either way brain chip and phone are a lot different. One you can easily discard, other one you cant. I don’t want to dream coca cola ads at night. What happens when they stop supporting / updating it. There is probably something in their contract, where they can force you back on the operating table to take the chip back, if they don’t like something that you did, or they are running out of money etc.
Yep I agree with your agreement, I can totally see the next generations being amazed by viewing short videos without even having the fatigue of holding a phone.
If I have a shitty phone the worst case scenario is I throw it away…
This is cool but they burned through a bunch of monkeys to get here.
Also, fuck Elon.
They say, on their mobile phone made by impoverished children they’ll never see the faces of…
I mean, fuck the entire Musk family. First in line to the woodchipper when the prols finally rise up.
But, perspective, ya know?
This shit has the potential to kill millions of humans, maybe even billions. I think it’s about time to burn them to the ground.
Yeah and water has that potential too.
Jesus. I hate this dystopian present and everything, but c’mon, you’re exaggerating. Other things will “kill billions” before this neuro-stuff does.
Okay, now we need a spider legged chair with wheels in it so he can go solve crimes! With me! I’m going to stop being sick and turn into a crime fighting vixen in Spandex. At least for today. I gotta go back to work tomorrow.
ITT: People really hate elon musk but kind of don’t know why, specifically. This tech is outpaced by EEG. This tech is the greatest technological development of all time, but I wish it was under someone else. This guy will die like the monkeys, all the monkeys and pigs died also did you guys hear about this? Did you guys hear?
I think it’s a pretty bad demo. As said, EEG is capable of the same thing, intercranial EEG is capable of the same thing, and I’m pretty sure microelectrodes have also already been capable of this for a while. I think generally we’ve been capable of this sort of stuff since like the 60’s or 70’s if I’m not mistaken, but nothing ever really comes of it in terms of the commercial market. I think the biggest thing I can think of is probably cochlear implants. I hope somebody corrects me if there’s a larger thing that I’m missing there. In any case, this doesn’t really show us anything, or provide any real reason for why this is better than your other less invasive alternatives, or even why this is a novel form of BCI. Supposedly this is supposed to be automated, smaller, and cheaper than your alternatives, but it also maybe struggles with differentiating signals, and hasn’t shown any major progress towards solving the more major technical hurdles facing the technology as it currently exists. You can’t really do a demo based on a solution to both a problem nobody asked for, and you can’t do a demo for something which is basically purely for economic and convenience gains. If that’s the use-case, it seems like kind of a misunderstanding as to where this technology currently is. BCI, broadly has the potential to do some really cool stuff, but nobody’s really solving any of the major bio-compatibility issues. I think you would find more interesting similar work done with wetware and organoids, but those are all in lab settings in highly regulated and normalized environments, so they’re still a ways off from consumer use.
Everyone’s concerned about computer viruses on these things. I think the main concern is actually regular viruses, no?
The same can be achieved with non-implanted BCI. Why get invasive surgery?
Of course it’s Mario Kart!
Neuralink hasn’t address the security complications, hopefully their engineers know what are they doing
Spoiler: they don’t.
It’s funny how upset people are that disabled people are getting new tech to help them simply because bad Twitter man owns the company.
I think mainly people are upset about the animal abuse occurring because of the research at the company.
Let’s be honest here; it has very little to do with that and everything to do with the anti-Elon sentiment. People absolutely despise the man and actively look for reasons to shit on everything he does. The response is purely emotional.
This is an ad-hominem fallacy. You are mistaking arguments against the company as attacks on Elon Musk. There are valid reasons to be concerned that humans are being used as guinea pigs and risking their lives with untested technology. There is the valid fact that people have already been playing games on Twitch “with their mind” using EGS.
Just because Elon Musk is a piece of shit that doesn’t invalidate these arguments. It’s possible to both hate Elon Musk and have a valid argument. Defending a billionaire does not dismiss these concerns.
The people especially on platforms like Lemmy have a strong general bias against everything related to Elon Musk. That’s a fact. There are valid reasons to question the safety and morality of his products but to me it’s clear as day that it is not the primary source of concern for people here. It’s motivated reasoning: they don’t like Elon so they apply extreme scrutiny and different standards to him compared to other equivalent companies with less controversial CEOs. There are people in this thread openly wishing him to fail.
The people especially on platforms like Lemmy have a strong general bias against everything related to Elon Musk.
And what are their reasons for the bias? Is it because he’s shown to be a chronic liar who over hypes his technology (Elon has promised filly self driving cars “next year” every year since 2014: https://futurism.com/video-elon-musk-promising-self-driving-cars), is bad at thinking through the long term consequences of his decisions (Twitter), refuses to listen to criticism, and shows no concern for the value or quality of human life?
This is like saying “People are only applying extra scrutiny to Johnny the Necrophiliac working at the morgue because they don’t like him.” They don’t like for the exact reasons why there should be extra scrutiny on him for this. The dislike of him does not dismiss the valid concerns based on past behaviour.
I’m actually all for the anti-Elon sentiment, I support this because I fucking hate animals. /s
I’ve never eaten meat in my life or worn fur, I’ve had the conversstions a lot snd know how people react to animal cruelty, sadly it’s normally indifference.
If it was just the animal cruelty then it would be more then just nuralink people are mad at. The only reason it was a news story and none of the other things peta rage about are news stories is because people hate Elon, I hate Elon and I think they should all he news stories but I also try to live in reality.
If we’re going to torture animals for food and medical experiments then giving control back to people with one of the most debilitating and distressing medical conditions is probably the best examples of justification to be made.
You mean the animal abuse that occurs during research and development of practically every Type III medical device? I don’t hear a lot of people demonizing pacemakers though.
Musk has a history of cutting important safety and regulatory jobs to reduce costs. He runs extremely lean businesses.
Maybe it will be different with a biomedical business but I think people are right to be skeptical.
I mean he’s not a bad twitter man, he’s literally spreading white supremacy and transphobia to millions on his rigged platform, I absolutely want him to fail the same way I’d want Henry Ford to fail in his time, I’d want a horrible fate to fall on them both regardless of what engineers at their companies end up accomplishing.
Why are you astroturfing? Are you being paid to act like a braindead shill?
“Everyone that doesn’t agree with me is a shill” grow up.
Gargle on my balls, shill
I didn’t know about people, but there is no way I am getting a fucking electronic chip installed in my brain, no matter how cool it might be
It should only ever be imo used to help the disabled and that too without any involvement of someone like elon
Then what is your plan to learn about upcoming things like the new pampers absorption technology 4.0.1?!
What if it’s a suppository.
🤔 How girthy we talkin’ here?
Now this is what I signed up for.
Can it vibrate?
I mean, it is up to you.
I mean, it is up you.
This technology is evolving so fast it wont be long and a non invasive wearable will be able to do exactly the same.
If you search on PubMed, the same BCI was being experimented on in 1991. 1991!
I saw colleagues using a more robust device ~9 years ago, and it was bonkers. Completely puts Neuralink to shame.
EEG can’t input analog inputs, neurololink is accomplishing an entirely different tech, so that’s quite literally impossible. Sorry.
“Analog input” is bullshit. What are you even on about
EEG outputs binary inputs.
Are you seriously arguing without understanding binary vs analog….?
The classifier can be programmed to be binary, but there’s literally no need to do so - it just makes processing easier and faster. Are you seriously artroturfing when you’re a complete moron?
Still around, too: https://www.gtec.at/product-configurator/unicorn-brain-interface/
$1,200 US entry price might seem a bit steep for a “fancy game controller/keyboard” to the able-bodied, but the QOL improvements for disabled people easily eclipse that.
Non invasive BCI capable of the exact stuff neuralink has demonstrated has existed for a while and it probably a much more viable way to help the disabled than cramming chips into their head.
How much is the subscription for ad-free thinking? Or is it free for non-commercial use?
Don’t worry you will only get ads in your sleep, no productivity from yourself will be affected 👍🏻
Imagine being an early adopter and every time you close your eyes it’s the same fucking ad where Kanye chants: “Elon macht frei” for hours.
This is fantastic, but I am extremely worried about it being in the control of Elon Musk.
You should be much more worried about the propensity for in-brain devices to cause life threatening infections no matter whose hands it’s in.
How would it be any different than a knee or a hip replacement when it comes to infections?
Much higher rates (4-13% of implants) and much more severe consequences (more impactful on overall health and less innate ability for immune response).
Well now I’m worried about both.
Because the blood-brain barrier makes your body far less effective in responding to infection of the breath.
Maybe I’m cynical, but this seems like something that would be incredibly easy to fake
Like all that fake data on Tesla’s self-driving cars
And that robot they were gonna release.
Not the human in a suit, the animatronic one.
What, Elon Musk publishing a doctored video making extraordinary claims as a marketing tool? I can’t imagine it.
TBH you could replace “elon musk” with “company” just as well. Unfortunately this is general behaviour that has been demonstrated more than once by companies wanting to create hype about their product.
The fact it’s a video game smells of Musk’s touch. Anyone else remember all the tweets he made about Tesla running games on the main monitor?
He’d then have to go all the way to the Internet just to lie. Seems like a lot of work to me.
It hopefully won’t be an Elon company, but someone is gonna mangle a TON of pigs and monkeys to make this tech ready work.
Humanity needs to understand what it will take. Even the highest standards of specimen care are still horrific.
The price of being apex and moraliy responsible.
Yeah, I don’t know this, but did we very gently slay a ton of animals learning how to do surgery and heart transplants?
I’m not a huge fan either, but how do people feel when the procedure saves their mom or kid?
did we very gently slay a ton of animals learning how to do surgery and heart transplants
While I can’t say for certain whether or not it’s true for your example, animals are frequently used (to this day) for medical research. I know for a fact sheep are used for burn/smoke inhalation studies and pigs are used for trauma studies at US Army institute for surgical research. They also use rabbits and mice.
All of them are heavily sedated before experimentation; lots of fentanyl etc. Death comes by way of potassium injection after the data is collected.
It’s hard to see, but I know people who went through the pig trauma program and it was huge. Way more real experience than any training aid ever. Just sucks.
This isn’t related to the pig trauma training they provide for medics, but rather to optimize blood product usage in cases of massive blood loss. Similar idea but it’s not for training purposes, strictly research. They’d punch a hole in their spleen (I think), bleed them out, then try different strategies / combinations of blood products and other fluids to see how well it resuscitated the pig. They’d then get killed with an injection of blue juice (KCl solution).
I said no to animal research and stuck to obtaining the blood products from human volunteers and doing some analysis of blood drawn from patients in the burn ward who were getting treatment, which was another angle of research done there.
If this is for the betterment of humanity, then I suppose the tech and research is all open source and freely available for anyone to peruse? That this patient with electronics implanted in them is free to do as they please to the hardware and software of said electronics?
Lol, no way. They’ll basically say they own the software, and you can’t do anything except not get one. They already say you don’t own the OS in your phone 😋
Right, so it’s for profit, not for the betterment of mankind.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The first patient with a Neuralink brain-computer implant played Nintendo’s Mario Kart video game with his mind in an impressive new demo video, calling it “lifechanging” at a company-wide meeting that was posted Friday on the social media platform X-formerly-Twitter.
“This is going to change the world,” added Arbaugh, who’s quadriplegic, meaning he’s paralyzed below his neck from a swimming accident, and requires the use of a wheelchair.
During the company meeting with Arbaugh as honorary guest, Neuralink posted the gameplay video showing a split screen of two characters, Donkey Kong and Bowser, racing in Mario Kart.
Other impressive feats that Arbaugh has achieved with the Neuralink implant include being able to play the strategy video game Civilization VI.
It was in January that Neuralink founder Elon Musk announced that the company had inserted its implant into its first human subject, who was at the time unnamed.
The company has been experiencing a spate of negative press with news about monkeys dying from nightmarish-sounding lab experiments and lawmakers asking the Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate whether Musk misled investors on how the implanted monkeys died.
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Direct link to the video: https://x.com/ModdedQuad/status/1771298116719002100
Mario Kart section happens a little after 1/3 of the way through.
