So whats to say with the machines that cant update to win 11? They just become ewaste?
So because a machine can’t run Win11 it has to be trashed?
Running Windows 7 in 2024 is reckless, tbh 💀
our pc shop restores older machines with Arch Linux using the Gnome desktop for fifty out the door and comes with a new SSD
out of all the calls we receive on jobs we have already completed Windows has more phone time and questions out of the box than Linux which surprised us
and as for troubleshooting or walking patrons through simple things Linux has been easier for them to manage and us to explain over the phone even when having to pull the console up
talking people with little to no experience with computers some being fresh beginners
Arch is cool and all, but why in the world is that your choice for nontechnical users… it is not robust and isn’t meant to be.
we only started these restores a year ago and when we did all the main distros and others were tested and researched on for this project
ultimately Arch was chosen due to pacman and the AUR repositories plus steam was using it
the shop packed the install with what they deemed universally needed packages including edge for the browser
most patrons do like the familiarity that it provides and edge allows for office365
a lot of us were super skeptical on this when we were told and had a lot of the same reservations but it has turned sales around one hundred percent though with a lot of ewaste saved
the oldest was a centrino laptop from 2007 had the original hdd in it
the patrons either use the console and update themselves or they bring it back for updates with some watching us do the updates then doing it themselves at home
linux has made computers fun again at least at our place
Wish you the best, but its a bad choice. The AUR isn’t safe, as-in reliable between updates.
Valve makes snapshots into their versioned atomic OS, so its safe. Plus a few custom packages, they don’t just use Arch and their choice isn’t relevant IMO.
Yup, if I were doing this business, I’d install Linux Mint by default, though I’d offer a few other options if customers want something specific.
Or Fedora if the user picks Gnome. Honestly, don’t make users pick distros, but user interfaces. Most wouldn’t want to understand the technical differences between Mint/Fedora/whatever because at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter.
Agreed. If the customer knows what distro they want, they can install it themselves.
You click a checkbox in Rufus and install it anyways. Debloated win 10 Vs win 11 made no difference on a Core2Duo system in my experience.
TL;DR: $61 a year, more than half the cost of a “lifetime” Windows Home license.
After two years of extended updates, you’ve paid more than you would have for a license for Windows 11 Home. After 3 years, you’re less than $20 away from having paid for Windows 11 Pro.
But no one is buying this because they can’t afford windows 11 or something.
This is for businesses that have trouble with updating or have older hardware that they want to use.
No one is buying this for Windows 10 home.
No one is buying because it requires certain hardware features that only recent computers have.
Even my 2019 laptop isn’t eligible for the free upgrade without some hack to install.Hmmm, I could have sworn this was also the consumer pricing, but going back over the last few articles, it looks like you’re correct that they haven’t specified the consumer pricing yet.
Honestly it doesn’t matter because pretty much no consumers are going to buy this no matter the price.
99,99% of Windows users won’t even install security updates unless Microsoft forces them to.
I realize I’m preaching to the choir on here, but really has never been a better time to learn Linux
And “learning Linux” really isn’t the huge learning curve many make it out to be. You can get everything set up and ready for gaming or whatever with a handful of GUI tools:
- Etcher or similar for getting the install media ready
- Boot into the install media by holding F11, Esc, or Del (depends on computer)
- Follow instructions in install process
- Use Discover (pre-installed in many distros) to install Steam and anything else you might need
- Login, install games, and play
There are some hiccups here and there depending on what you need:
- if you have an NVIDIA GPU, you’ll need to install drivers (though I’m pretty sure Intel doesn’t need any, and AMD certainly doesn’t); look up instructions for your distro, don’t go to NVIDIA’s website
- Heroic launcher (again, Discover store) can play games from Epic and GOG
- some peripherals may need extra work - most things work out of the box though
But for 90% of people, the five steps above is all you need, and only step 4 is different reinstalling Windows.
Right, right.
Power management on Linux is a joke.
Things still require command-line config
No, Linux still isn’t ready for the desktop for the average user.
Power management
Not necessary for most setups, since most people tend to just leave their laptops plugged in. Even then, it’s generally fine, I get comparable battery life between Windows and Linux on my laptop, and that’s without any tweaks.
And yeah, some things may be easier to do with the command-line, but very few things need command-line config. You’d only really need it if you’re doing something exotic or using really crappy hardware.
average user
The average user just needs a browser and maybe Steam. Linux does both of those things incredibly well, so it’s absolutely ready for the average user. It may not be suitable for the average Windows power-user, and it struggles in some niches. But for your average user, it pretty much works out of the box.
Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Oh dear Lord. Hallelujah. Lol
It won’t be long now before all Microsoft products need a monthly fee. Now people will actually have to switch to Linux due to cost instead of switching to Linux just because they want to.
