• mydude@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    “Come get my vote”, and they offer nothing. So they don’t get my vote. Quite simple.

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      6 months ago

      “Logic” like that gave us Trump. Any damage he does is just as much your fault as it is people who voted for him.

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        6 months ago

        ‘Logic’ like you just posted is what gave us Trump.

        A political parties job is to win elections.

        If you know a significant percentage of the population thinks like the person you responded to, and you don’t do anything to win their votes, then you are intentionally trying to lose as effectively as if you worked for the Trump campaign.

        It gave us Trump twice, after all.

        You know what didn’t? Promising people shit.

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            6 months ago

            Is an opinion held by people who want to lose an election, and would rather lose than have to entertain a single bit of constructive criticism.

            Thanks for Trump. You should be ashamed of having such a short term viewpoint that got us Trump.

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              6 months ago

              The only people that got us Trump are the people who actively didn’t prevent him from winning, i.e. everyone who didn’t vote for Harris.

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                No. It’s the campaign consultants that drove a failed strategy based on tacking to the right, and people like you that try to protect those consultants jobs by shaming others.

                Saying politicians have to earn votes is not a moral statement in the same way that saying the sun rises in the east isn’t.

                It is a statement of fact about the game board that politicians play on. Complaining about that is useless for actually winning. It just serves to protect those that failed you. ie the DNC’s campaign team.

                EDIT: What does your view give you? A brief moment of self-righteous joy, with no improved chances of winning. You think trying to shame people you want something from will get them to give it to?

                Or do you think treating the people you require something from as a power bloc that has concessions made to it is more likely to get you what you want?

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                  5 months ago

                  Look at elections around the world. Incumbents are losing everywhere because they are being blamed for the economy. That’s it. That is the only reason Democrats lost. There is literally nothing they could have done to change that.

                  Years of Covid fucked the global economy and it will take years to heal that damage. Prices will NEVER return to what they were pre-Covid. That is the reality and people can’t handle it. I’m not defending the Democrats, I’m defending reality.