Your projecting. I literally said in the donation thread that I don’t care if they run their own political server in their own free time with their own resources. It doesn’t matter whether or not I agree with it. What matters is that they want to tell us that we must contribute to their hobby and political crusade. They can make all the poor life choices they want. They just can’t include me or anyone else in it.

Nutomic himself has quite a history with real shitty takes and horrible stances. Including transphobia Etc.

Then there is said flagship instance. It’s run as a leninist Vanguard fiefdom and Echo chamber. Not a development hub. Its lemmy.ml and not lemmy.org for a reason. Much of the most egregious moderation not being done by moderators but administrators. All directly under and at nutomic’s discression. Which people are well within their right to object to. Especially being told their donations must go towards enabling it.

There are a ton of devs out there with shitty politics. But it’s most of them are smart/mature enough to keep them separate.

Neither are a lie. You are just misrepresenting them and being disingenuous. When taken in the context and the understanding of course they were intended. They’re unfalsifiable. This was never about the you that is personal to just you. It’s about the you that is the group of you. Breathlessly reposting the same stories day on day. That largely only called out Biden Etc. Dance around it all you want. We see you for what you are. I pushed back against the one-sided narrative every day. And I received so much hate for it. But in the end I was right. I would give anything to have been wrong. But I was right

Then point out a single lie. Yes plenty of people said it in isolation. It wasn’t enough. Has the same goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And we are here.

If you don’t think the coverage was one-sided that’s literally on you. Pick any day span from the last election cycle and count the average of anti-biden post and compare that to the average of any post criticizing trump or republicans. Even here in leftyville it was wildly skewed. And then understand that the mass media was far far worse

I was one of those people by the way. So why are you even arguing with me? And it’s not revisionist history. It’s open history for all to see. The coverage was massively one-sided. So much so that many Palestinians legitimately thought Trump would be better. The only one practicing revisionist history here is you If you deny that. Or the fact that everyone constantly and only was criticizing Biden, if that wasn’t you then why you defending the ones that did? Because the receipts are all over lemmy and the mass media

It’s the part where no one was actually pointing out that the Republicans were the same or worse. I’m not defending the Democrats. I’m just calling you all out for helping Republicans.

Liberals played their part, that’s true. The problem is people like yourself don’t acknowledge your part in it.

Honestly not really. The sad thing is that some of the highest fruit as far as anyone knows anything about her. That’s how undeserving she is.

I think you are hyper focusing trying to read things into other things there were never there or intended. The point wasn’t to say that she was undeserving because she did that. But only that she was undeserving because she hasn’t done anything more than that. Anything more than just about anyone else. That said after some thought I absolutely think I could have ordered it better. And can acknowledge fault in at least that much. So I will go back and try to amend it to a better state.

It’s slut shaming to point out her only notable accomplishments and mention that she doesn’t deserve a statue? I don’t deserve a statue either. Am I slut shaving myself for saying that?

Do what you like, and be as freaky as you want to be. As long as everyone is consenting it’s all good by me. And fuck anyone that’s got a problem with it, because it’s none of their business.

If we are going to erect statues of sluts. Something which I am all for. We have much better sluts to choose from. Ones that contributed far more to society. Betty Page comes to mind. Hell Jenna Jameson if you want. The problem with Melania isn’t that she is a slut. So much that she’s enabled trump. And has nothing else to claim.

Don’t get me wrong I’m absolutely open to constructive criticism. And if you have some better thoughts as to what she is known for that would be better to criticize her over I would be happy to hear.

When was it ever appropriate to honor plagiarizing gold diggers who spread their legs married a fascist with statues? If anything that really says something negative about the place it’s erected. If that’s the biggest thing they have to be proud of.

You. I like your optimism. But I don’t share your experience apparently. A lot of people don’t. About the best I tend to get from a lot of them after I start asking a lot of questions that poke holes in their beliefs. Is silence.

Never once have they admitted that they could be wrong or that there’s a chance I might be right. And as soon as they go back to spend time with their cult. The next time I see them it’s like it never even happened. They’re it back to insisting the same absurd positions. Because they never actually acknowledged or considered that they could be wrong.

It’s not even limited to or that unique to right Wingers. Plenty of gaza activists still to this day refused to admit that the hyperfocus on Biden and Harris was a mistake. Or that by doing that they may have helped Trump win. The field was so flooded with Hyper focused partisan propaganda. That many Palestinian Americans honestly somehow thought Trump would be better and voted for him. But as is basic human nature it’s never their fault. It’s always someone else that shit their pants.

Those upset that they are being hurt when it was supposed to be everyone else. Are no ally. Saying it was wrong to seek harm to others is very different than saying “I wasn’t supposed to be hurt”. They can be useful, but they don’t have remorse.

Yup

Always words to live by

Everyone makes mistakes, those that can admit it are rare. Those that can forgive rarer still. And both should be role models.

Correct. The cruelty IS the point.

That was literally the comment I came here to post.

We’d get an informed public if people had enough time, material security, and agency to get involved in politics.

They are supposed to answer to us. Therefore it is our failing that they do not. We cannot expect them to give that sort of Education without fighting for it. And unironically they didn’t.

This is infuriating.

I agree. But it is also reality. When Fox news coverage of your protests is largely sterile and neutral. You know you’ve just fucked up. You should immediately start asking yourself what are you missing here. What do you do to adjust. Which most activists couldn’t do. I mean I have no idea if they all honestly thought that somehow Fox News and all these fascist media Outlets echoing their claims were on their side. That they weren’t the Romney to the fascist Obama this time. Please proceed governor, own yourself. Romney is a skeezy little cultish snake. But he wasn’t strictly wrong. Though that didn’t save him. Even if it worked in our favor that one time.

Don’t make assumptions: I was not an activist in Michigan. I didn’t tell anyone not to vote for Biden/Harris

If you helped to amplify the one-sided accusations. You share a part in it. It doesn’t matter if you’re in Michigan or not. It doesn’t matter if you were in a red state, or a blue state. If you didn’t then don’t get upset about people pointing out that people who did are responsible.

In my 50 years on this planet. Those of us who are not fascist have owned ourselves repeatedly over nonsensical Purity tests. Especially when it didn’t matter. Such as this last election. This will just be another one for the list in the history books. If they allow us to keep history books too much longer.

First, it is the job of the political party to convince the voters to vote for them.

It’s also the publics job to be informed.

But even then, [we don’t actually know if the outcome for Gaza would be any different under Harris

Even if it was identical under harris. It was still better under biden. He wasn’t actively cheering the genocide on etc. And at least gave some appearance of trying to support relief and peace. Trump can’t even.

I don’t think it took much of a “masterful play” or much influence at all for the Palestinian and middle eastern origin populations in Michigan to demobilize or protest vote. They had been watching intense and horrific destruction of their families and place of origin for more than a year at that point and they watched Biden, with Harris as VP, transfer weapons and funding to Israel while [reiterating their support for Israel and weakly “warning” them about going too far

That was our entire government. Not Biden and Harris. Focusing solely on them in the face of nothing but worse alternatives. Was an extremely bonehead move. The fact even with hindsight and in the face of this glaring failure. People like yourself still cling to it with a sunk cost mentality. Shows just how masterful the manipulation was. That you feel no responsibility or remorse. For helping to Usher fascism in. Yes the Democrats did plenty on their own for that as well. But the fact that to a person. I can’t find a single one of you who is heavily activist against Biden and Harris that can even admit the flaws of that plan. Or acknowledge that there are sincere and honest desire to do good was manipulated for the worst.

It’s extremely dishonest to have framed it as a choice in the election. Yet, here we are with fascism. I would have loved for ending genocide to have been on the ballot. It wasn’t. Never was. But making it worse was. And we got it.