just so you know, Mozilla vpn is just a repackaged mullvad vpn, they’re partnered

for real though… as an American I would love if we were 11 years behind the EU in lots of other areas

people usually look where they are going

I’ve barely used mine. I just didn’t think through what use case I’d have for it and bought it since it was cool. I don’t travel much and I usually only want to game when I’m home anyway, where I use my main gaming rig. I thought I would use the deck in bed, but I find that it’s not as enticing as I thought it would be

been meaning try and sell it while it’s still got some value tbh, it’s basically brand new even though I’ve had it for nearly a year

Agreed. clearly there is no getting through that thick liberal skull of yours

Fucking hell, can you possibly be more patronizing? Maybe you should read a book. Because nothing I’m saying is false or misleading. Meanwhile you’ve flip flopped all over the place and have no real point and have contributed no sources to back up any of your claims.

I have not “just discovered political science and ideologies”. I simply am versed in the actual meanings of words, instead of just loosely using words like “progressive” to mean whatever I want.

Wikipedia is simply a good way to introduce political concepts to people who obviously have no idea what the terms like liberalism, conservatism, progressivism actually mean. Like most of the people replying to me in this thread.

You say you understand where I’m coming from, yet don’t even have a consistent point that you’re working with here. You’re just arguing for the sake of it so you can be patronizing.

You liberals are just pissed because I had the gall to criticize Obama from the left. I have backed up everything I’ve posted with sources (some directly from Obama himself) that confirm everything I’ve said.

Everyone responding to me, including you, are just finding some random nonsense to strawman me with so you can pretend to have an argument.

Being a progressive does not have a different meaning in contemporary discussion. Progressivism doesn’t mean something different in the US. The US has leftist progressives like Bernie Sanders.

You are all strawmanning me and trying to make it seem like I’m saying Obama made no progress, when I’m saying Obama wasn’t a progressive.

We are talking about politics. Political ideologies are obviously going to be a part of the conversation. Quit acting like bringing them up is “viewing events from the lens of classical ideologies”. You just aren’t versed in political science.

Here is a page about progressivism specifically in the US if you want to learn more:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States

I’m an American lmao. But sure man, whatever argument you can come up with am I right?

No. You just have absolutely no knowledge of political science or what ideologies like progressivism or neoliberalism are.

Also funny how you completely ignore my point about how even focusing just on America, Obama is still not progressive. You seem to not have any idea what we’re even discussing

Are you even clicking on my sources? Or just picking the first tiny thing you can find a critique for and pulling a response out of your ass? The thing about “global standards” was a small aside that while true was not the point of the conversation.

Here’s a bunch of more sources you probably won’t read if you want to educate yourself on what political terms mean:

https://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2019/6/11/18660240/democrats-neoliberalism

https://progressive.org/op-eds/barack-obama-not-my-hero-pitchford-201214/

https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=LitRC&u=googlescholar&id=GALE|A356354197&v=2.1&it=r&sid=LitRC&asid=6e89d156

The conversation is centered around whether Obama was a progressive. He was not.

Progressivism isn’t just confined to the US, so yes people are talking about progressivism with the full context of the global political spectrum in mind.

But even within the US, Obama is nowhere close to a real progressive like Bernie Sanders, who has been consistently fighting for leftist values for decades.

I’m talking about progressivism as a defined political ideology, not a vauge statement of making progress.

Obamas healthcare plan was inherently neoliberal, which is a centrist, or even center-right ideology. The market exchange is a capitalist solution to the problem that the health care companies can profit from

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

It’s no secret the Democrats aren’t exactly left leaning by global standards, in reality they are a center-right party that mainly still practices Neoliberalism

Obama has said it himself on multiple occasions

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

Was it terrible? No. But it was a half measure, already a compromise and the watered down more by Republicans. it was absolutely not progressive, it was liberal/centrist at best.

A progressive health care plan would be a single payer universal healthcare system

The ACA was literally a right wing health care plan proposed by the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank.

EDIT: Not to say it didn’t help people, I’ve also benefited from it, but it’s not exactly progressive

EDIT 2: This is not my opinion, Obama said it himself. Here is a source:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

Obama campaigned as a progressive and governed as a liberal. The world changing had nothing to do with it

EDIT: For instance, he ran on making abortion rights law, but once elected with a supermajority he switched gears and said it was not a high priority.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/obama-promised-to-sign-the-freedom-of-choice-act-o

I’m no Biden stan, but I am a progressive, and he has definitely been more progressive than Obama was. Obama was a great president aka being a public figure/speaker, but Biden has had a much more progressive policy agenda and I’m all for that

I wish I did this. I went to check if there were any signs of the protest and couldn’t help but contribute to one of the “fuck spez” signs

I then realized that place already felt kind of overdone last time they did it, this time it just feels completely meaningless

Thanks for the understanding and reasonable reply. I also appreciate the thoughtful discussion.

I don’t even dislike Firefox, I have it installed on my PC and my phone alongside Brave. And I don’t think Brave is completely undeserving of criticism either, just not to the extent that it is portrayed at large.

Vivaldi is not fully open source, Brave Browser is.

there is no reason to switch from Brave Browser based on this article, it’s not even about Brave Browser, its about Brave Search, and nothing in the article affects users in any way or gives any reason to switch from Brave. Not to mention half the article is retracted now that Brave responded.

The author has no idea what they’re talking about. It’s just a website owner complaining about Brave Search having a summarizer feature so you don’t have to read through 20 paragraphs to get to the important info on websites, same as Google and DDG’s Featured snippets/quick answers. It’s not even shady, it’s a useful feature.

they can’t hear you over the sound of their firefox circlejerk

just a few counter points:

• brave is open source too

• AI copyright precident has not been set by courts, there is no precident for any of this. i don’t see why this is such a big deal you’d stop using their search.

• As a pirate, I think copyright law is bullshit anyway and holds us back as a species. Most copyright law is outdated and stunts creativity and innovation

• most people only care if it affects them. which this does not. it is relevant because that is how people operate if they’re not virtue signaling

• there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. every large organization does some shady shit. Brave in comparison to most hasn’t done anything to warrant such a huge campaign against them. maybe some criticism, sure.

• I meant brave is the only good alternative to Google. all the others have terrible results. Brave is almost as good as google

• and I’m not defending a corporation, I am just tired of Firefox fans jumping on any small thing and making a mountain out of a molehill to try and save their dying browser market share

• also no idea why you think I’m angry about this. I’m just annoyed at the constant Firefox circlejerk/astroturfing campaign