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  • The speech and debate clause is separate from the arrest clause. The Treason exception only applies to the first part.

    Additionally, Treason has a definition elsewhere in this document, and just giving any kind of speech doesn’t meet the standard.

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

    It would be pretty hard to claim that any kind of speechifying amounts to “Aid and Comfort”, especially if you can’t identify the “Enemy” in a time when the nation is at peace.

    Now the first amendment does apply here, but I expect a legal defense to go to this speech and debate clause first, then 1st amendment. Because 1st amendment has a bunch of exceptions of the “yelling fire in a crowded theater” type, but speech and debate is going to be more ironclad. Once you convince a court that you were doing Congressional speech or debate, then the only discipline you can face is from your chamber’s rules, period.



  • Double jeopardy is not a factor in this situation, because the first jeopardy “does not attach” until a jury is seated and sworn in for trial, or when a guilty plea is accepted. The trial by jury is the “jeopardous” part of the criminal justice process. If the case is tossed before that point for any reason, then there is no jeopardy bar to refiling.

    If a trial starts, but ends in a mistrial, then it is usually possible to go to another trial, even though jeopardy “has attached”. A mistrial ruling effectively “unwinds” the entire trial like it never happened.

    or is it like an annulment where it kind of never happened?

    This is what Judge Currie said in her opinion. The indictments didn’t happen because they were run entirely by a pretend US attorney.















  • But then who says what the statutes that Congress passed mean…?

    In this case, the court has determined that notices in English only, that give a 24 hour deadline, with no information about how to contact an attorney, are illegal. That amount of notice is not due process as guaranteed by the 5th amendment of the Constitution.

    The constitution overrides all parts of federal law, including the Alien Enemies Act. There is no power to suspend the constitution here. Not even a war power. The constitution applies to the plaintiffs in this case, because they are in the territory of the United States. Full stop.

    The government has argued to the court, without citing any specific clause of the constitution, that the President enjoys broad “war powers” that prevent the court from looking into any aspect of what the administration is doing here. The court has clearly rejected that argument* with respect to the 5th amendment concerns.

    So that is what the law is, and that’s what the law is not. That’s a final decision.

    *The court has not decided yet on whether the government can use this reasoning to block any interpretation of the meaning of the words “invasion” or “predatory incursion.” The lower courts that have ruled are something like 4 or 5 to 1, on the side that the judiciary can interpret those words.

    EDIT: Actually, I think the one judge that ruled for the AEA proclamation did so by interpreting “invasion” by looking it up in a dictionary. She just used a modern dictionary, while the others have been using 1798 dictionaries.