I usually end up fiddling with service bouncing or a reboot to get it to work.

I always have connection issues after a Mullvad update. One of the downsides really

Ork humor. Love it.

The scope of the original statement was food shelter and healthcare. That’s a tall order for open borders with no concern for logistics.

Consider what the country looks like if conditions have deteriorated so much that it deters people from coming here. We will have zoomed past the equilibrium stage. What does life look for the average citizen much less immigrant at that point?

I’m sorry to wrap it up there but I only have so much bandwidth. However, these are conversations that people used to be able to have to tease out nuance, but somehow the zeitgeist has devolved to adversarial tone, name calling, and cultish behaviors. Hopefully I’ll find more when I have more time.

Actually, no. Obviously any immigrant set is going to be diverse. Contributions all coming on a spectrum from nothing to multi millionaire business starting.

The trick is to have a firm enough analytics handle on where you are as a country to handle all of the aforementioned needs of all of them that need it. You WILL eventually hit a point where you have to turn people away to break even economically . Then they start to come in illegally and you’re pushed past the breaking point.

How do you propose, in a world where we have that data (that may or may not exist yet I really don’t know if it’s possible to nail all of that information perfectly), that we handle the excess? If a church takes in too many people, they ask for more donations. If a country takes in too many people, who do they turn to?

Yeah, it feels like you don’t really want to engage with conflicting positions and would rather assume I’m a racist.

This is what a lot of young leftists hand wave away

Everyone deserves a minimum standard of living. Food, shelter, and healthcare are human rights and should be free for those who can’t afford it. - Immigrants are good for the economy. Even the illegal ones. We should be making immigration easier.

Taking in infinite immigrants and providing food shelter and healthcare for them and their lineage until the end of time ALONG WITH all of the disadvantaged citizens is not economically sustainable. You’d effectively be turning the U.S. into the world’s homeless shelter. At some point, likely sooner than later, all the raised taxes in the world on the businesses that don’t leave won’t be enough to care for everyone.

I’m all for compassion but it has to be reasoned compassion. You can’t just look at what your version of Utopia is and say that’s what we should do. Humanity is not perfect and neither will any society it builds be. But at the same time we can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good, and so we engage in these discussions.

You seem frustrated. Me too. Online words change nothing. True view altering events rarely come from random internet discussion. You either seek the knowledge yourself and form a new opinion or have a good faith discussion with another in real time where shared space gives you a connection and ties your words to your identity (externally and internally). That’s where proper nuance is found. I’ve come to this conclusion after many revelations about personal unhappiness and choose to devote my energy to better pursuits. I’m happier now.

I wish you better days.

Don’t blame ya. Just an academic curiosity in where it leads is all I have.

Society at this point is too large and has too many factors out of the control of individuals without power or money. Even if you find a hook to rally the masses against those in control ( see ows or blm) keeping the fire lit over distance via the internet and social media requires talent and energy to organize in the face of the current power and money that run the show. While the economy is fucked we’re all too busy keeping our heads above water to even get there in the first place.

Consolidating politics and energy into proper physical camps by moving to be around like minded individuals so we can get movements out of the virtual realm and into the physical one surely can’t hurt.

My position and argument are vague because proper nuance requires more effort and I don’t waste time debating online. I present my opinion, perspective, and insight. Take it or leave it and move on. Save your energy for meatspace where it is more valuable.

The liberal brain drain. There are people at all levels of influence and all levels intelligence in all states nudging things in their chosen direction.

Those in position to influence red states cultivate social inertia based on faith and tradition instead of critical thinking or collective betterment. This is why authoritarianism prospers in this places and will continue to do so. Edit: forgot my point in my rambling: these brains do not drain and in fact desire this outcome.

Before any red supporters roast me, the left manipulates based on social cues and utopian promises. Their rabble is generally more critically thinking and educated, but opens themselves to hubris and idealistic naïveté.

Individuals with the ability and will to move away from perceived hostile environments increasingly are, and to places where they can live in an echo chamber. You can’t fault them, but as is discussed elsewhere, the effects on society at large in this age are concerning.