An Illinois state judge on Wednesday barred Donald Trump from appearing on the Illinois’ Republican presidential primary ballot because of his role in the attack at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but she delayed her ruling from taking effect in light of an expected appeal by the former U.S president.
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Nice
This doesn’t even matter. Unless he’s barred from the general election ballot, he’s already won the GOP primaries. Haley just won’t cave until she’s forced to.
Haley just won’t cave until she’s forced to.
Haley is clearly staying in for the likely reality that Trump is found guilty and the small chance that the Republican party chooses not to have a convicted federal criminal as their candidate. She knows based on the numbers she has no shot, but she’s angling to stay in so she can swoop in when Trump is disqualified.
How likely that is to happen to up to interpretation, but it’s pretty clear at this point that’s Haley’s game plan.
Please read the article, it’s for both the primary and general.
Still doesn’t matter, Illinois is pretty solidly blue so a Republican wouldn’t win those electoral votes in the general either way
It kind of does, in that when states see something blatantly unconstitutional they shouldn’t wait for the Supreme Court to say it. Start the procedure and than wait if the Court says it needs to review it, sure.
Ugh…okay…
First I’ll say I can’t stand trump and I absolutely believe he participated in insurrection and as such should be barred from holding federal office.
*With that being said…*the fact remains that he’s not yet been legally convicted/proven of having done so.
I believe it, you believe it, lots of people believe it, and it may well be fact…but there’s been no legal decision that says he participated in an insurrection.
Without that legal ruling…and I can’t believe I’m saying this…I don’t think that states should be able to strike him from national elections based on a federal level law.
It’s less a matter of how I feel about the actual subject and much more because of the legal precedent and implications. Basically, without a legal conviction here, these states are saying, “We (a nebulous definition here that could be as collective as the personally held opinions of a single judge) feel that this person did something so against the best interests of the country that it amounts to insurrection, therefore we’re removing that person from our ballots.”
And while I agree with them in this specific case, it’s not difficult to imagine that, with a precedent like this, you get purple states with a GOP judge, state supreme court, governor, etc. that decide that the Dem candidate in a future election has acted so against their view of the best interests of the nation that they decide it amounts to insurrection and therefore that candidate will be removed from their ballot.
At that point, every single election will be about attempts to remove candidates from ballots in the courts, cheapening and perverting the intentions of 14-3.
To prevent that, IMHO, it needs to be up to the federal level of courts to make such a decision, to say for certain whether a person has violated 14-3, at which point that ruling decides their appearance on a ballot automatically.
Yes, it’s unfortunate because in this case a ruling like that from a federal court is unlikely (and if it comes down, it’s unlikely to withstand SCOTUS and/or get a horribly muddying ruling like “yes he did insurrection but no, we aren’t going to enforce 14-3”) but taking the long view of rule of law and judicial precedent, I just feel that states deciding this matter without trial or conviction is opening Pandora’s box.
Cmon now, there’s a difference between “against their view” and “instigated and participated in an insurrection.”
This is like arguing that we can’t punish a murderer with jail time because people will start trying to punish people they disagree with, with jail time.
Really mixed feelings on this. I think the legal argument probably has merit, although I am not a lawyer. I quite hate Trump, and think there will be negative consequences (possibly very scary!) if he wins. But I do not think that elections in America should be won in the courts.
Edit: I think today is the day I block /c/politics
Fair elections, yes.
Trump, through, has been lying and cheating his way through the previous and this election. He literally lies more than he speaks truth but more importantly, he continuously threatens everyone of his opponents and he has a base who will literally support him even if he commits heinous acts.
He has over 90 court accusations running against him running from an enormous amounts of frauds, to insurrection and treason. The guy should be in jail, and others would habe already had the death penalty, yet trump is out here. Did mention the countless amounts of ties he mentioned he wants to he a dictator, how cool dictatorships are, that what the US really needs is a dictator…
At some point you gotta take what you can.
I would note that this has nothing to do with any of those indictments. The Georgia charges stem from attempts to overturn the election results, not from Jan 6. There is nothing disallowing criminals to run for or serve as president. One could argue that in a free democracy it’s very important that criminals be allowed to run, to prevent the law being wielded as a cudgel against political opponents.
is it a blue state ?
Very much so, but like many other US states, the urban area (Chicago) is more liberal and the rural areas are conservative. But on balance the whole state is very Blue.
Southern Illinois may as well be it’s own state. Feels like you’re going back in time to some bizzaro land hellscape mix of 1955 and 2005.
Accurate description, but it’s quicker to just say “may as well be Indiana”.
Yeah, 80% of the state’s population is clustered around Chicago and St Louis. The rest of the state is red af but sparsely populated.
red af but sparsely populated
A.k.a. light pink
Ya
Okay then. Well, it is still good news.
If current disqualifications hold, Trump will have lost access to 33 electoral college votes and needs 270 to win. Assuming it’s Trump vs Biden in the general, that’s almost half a California.
2020 went 306-232. Trump won 2016 304-227 partly due to faithless electors.
At the current pace and schedule of the impending Trump trials, and after accounting for judgments already rendered and how those are affecting Republican party bankrolls, it’s gonna be a blowout. He’s on track to lose another 3 dozen electors by October and that’s guessing hyper conservatively
Trump was never going to win Illinois anyway.
Let’s not get comfortable though. We all still need to get out and vote come November.
Haley is almost as bad for America, and definitely worse for Palestine and Ukraine. The difference, quite frankly, is just how blatant the corruption will be.
I don’t worry that she will end democracy.
She will do a bunch of dumb Republican stuff and make America objectively worse for a lot of people. But the Republic will survive her presidency at least.
Trump, not so much.
In the debates, Haley pretty strongly advocated to sending lethal aid to Ukraine (I guess you could be arguing that sending aid to Ukraine, prolonging the war, is bad for Ukraine).
The entire Republican party is a threat to democracy and human rights at this point in time. Project 2025 will likely go ahead with any Republican president. Crazy right-wing, christo-fascist, and “states rights” civil servants and justices will be appointed, and they’d probably be able to lock Demcrats out of control of the federal government for decades to come (by allowing intense gerrymandering, strategic polling location placement, giving state governments the ability to override voting results, etc).
Correct me if I’m wrong but being removed from the primary ballot has no real standing for general election. It doesn’t matter that he can’t be on the primary when the GOP has chosen him already. It’s just posturing. He hasn’t lost any electoral votes.
assuming it’s Trump vs Biden in the general
I was just bored crunching numbers on the ride home but I did say the damn ting
I don’t understand. Assuming it’s Trump vs Biden doesn’t change anything about what I said.
You stopped short again. Cheers.
I just said I didn’t understand your comment. That was your chance to explain to me what you meant or what I was missing. Instead you turned to insults. So I’ll just assume not only was your comment wrong and you couldn’t explain yourself, you took it personally. That’s all the clarification I needed. Cheers!
You’re not wrong.
Yes but we also have this going on.
And what do these people think Trump would do about Israel?
They don’t care. They just don’t want to be an accomplice by voting for Joe Biden.
They’re fine if their inaction leads to Trump winning and fucking up Palestine even more.
At least their ‘conscience’ will be clear.
Dumbfucks.
I’m baffled as to how people can knowingly make things worse and feel good about because what they did was “right”. The whole idea that an action can be right despite making things worse for everyone is completely alien to me, but I know that’s literally how some people think.
If they are voting in the primary, I doubt they will skip the general election. It’s more than likely a reminder to the administration that their voter base is not happy with the current decision making. If they are protesting stuff like this, they are most likely D voters anyway (over 90 % of D voters are pro-ceasefire vs 53? % for the R voterbase.
Yeah I’m having a very hard time feeling any comfort with that concept strongly looming.
Illinois hates Florida nazis.
I didn’t even need to click on this. :)
pause at 27 seconds and you’ll see DeSantis’s uncle/bro/cousin behind the main guy
