For anyone wondering if Threads and Facebook at large will be a fine neighbor in the space and compatible with other apps/services in the fediverse: they’re already automatically hiding comments that mention Pixelfed https://mastodon.social/@dansup/112126250737482807
I have to post this again sorry
I remember you from the Reddit post!
Highly unlikely. I dont post on reddit
Hahaha the post ABOUT Reddit. Posting the same image. Sorry, when I reread my comment, it comes off absolutely NOT how I intended!
Ah. Ok.
lemm.ee is already federated. Didn’t even have to do anything. I think I chose the right instance.
I wonder if this means we can mention any word in their filter and our content will not be scraped by them? Something like a Meta filter signature on every post or comment like follows:
Pixelfed, etc, etc, etc…
No it just hides your comment as spam
Database poisoning spam perhaps?
Just switch to an instance that doesnt federate with them
Use this to pick one
I think my instance isn’t federated but I am under the understanding that the federation can still scrape data through other federated instances that mine is connected with. Something along the lines of ‘their data doesn’t come in but your data is still sent out’.
the federation can still scrape data through other federated instances that mine is connected with
That’s not true. If your instance is defederated from Threads, your content will never be sent to Threads. Other instances will not forward content for you to Threads.
Thank you, that’s good to know. Would you have a source that details these kinds of technical details so I can do a little more learning?
A quick search leads me to https://fedi.tips/ which has a lot of information. It mostly focuses on Mastodon but it generally applies to Lemmy and any other Fediverse app as well.
You probably won’t find any source specifically saying that “content is not forwarded from remote servers to other remote servers” because that’s just not how it works. The documentation will probably focus on what it actually does rather than all of the infinite things that it doesn’t do.
Awesome, thank you!
I just…
I just do not get the twitter framework for social media. Like I appreciate you mastodon bros, but what the hell is actually going on over there. I had the same issue with twitter. What the hell even is this?
I never really got the Twitter model either. Following a specific individual is a weird one for me; I’d rather follow an idea or a topic instead (Reddit/lemmy/forums). I honestly don’t care enough about any individual user to the point where I want to know what they have to say about… anything, really.
twitter was made for famous people to spew short thoughts at the masses in a long term plan of selling advertising.
It’s an convenient way to post about some trending topic, without creating a whole new community for something temporary. For example the eurovision sing festival, or some natural disaster that happened.
And on the other hand, it works for expressing some personal thoughts or memes without having to adhere to a specific topic. But with random strangers instead of only your facebook friends.
I think for these kind of needs, no other social media framework would comply better.
I guess I get it, but like, sorting by all or new kind of does the same thing…
I do see that it is popular, but the ‘feel’ is just that its a bunch of people shouting at each other across a cafeteria.
You don’t like a bunch of people shouting at each other across a cafeteria? It kind of explains why I never got twitter either.
It’s not. You have the “explore” tab which is more like “today’s viral toots” (which tend to be a lot more varied than Lemmy’s “All/Top 24h” since Lemmy is a link aggregator and doesn’t really lend itself to jotting down thoughts or diatribes), and you have your personal timeline which is people you actively follow. It’s not a cafeteria, it’s your RSS feed.
Where it gets shouty is in replies, especially as those get federated weirdly. But that’s only a problem for the few percent of users who are making content, not for consumers.
diatribes
I learned a new word today
Yet another day where I get to use the “sound cleverer than I am” cheat code by just randomly inserting French words in my English.
viral toots
This is… its a thing.
This is basically how I feel about Instagram. I just can’t understand why people use the platform, or even how they do.
Every time I try to use the app, I just end up closing it in frustration a couple of minutes later. What’s the point in following people when the algorithm is just going to show me a randomized assortment of their posts from the past week where every one is followed by a “suggested” post from somebody I don’t follow and then a “sponsored” post (ad). And then it stops after like 20 posts and refuses to load any more because “You’re all caught up from the past 3 days!”, even if I haven’t opened it in 5 months.
I guess following people whose content you’re interested in has gone out of style in favor of consuming whatever the algorithm vomits up in front of you. I feel like even Tik Tok does a better job of letting you see content from people you’re following, and that thing is basically all algorithm.
And now I sound like my parents in the 2010s trying to figure out why people use Facebook…
Who didn’t this coming? Seriously, meta will take what they want to increase the capital and makes everything else invisible.
Fediverse isn’t here to say yes to everything. We have the freedom to say no and this is the power of the fediverse. It’s allowing and denying. And Meta is a treat to the fediverse.
Who didn’t this coming?
Mastodon’s CEO, apparently.
Will Meta embrace-extend-extinguish the ActivityPub protocol? There are comparisons to be made between Meta adopting ActivityPub for its new social media platform and Meta adopting XMPP for its Messenger service a decade ago. There was a time when users of Facebook and users of Google Talk were able to chat with each other and with people from self-hosted XMPP servers, before each platform was locked down into the silos we know today. What would stop that from repeating? Well, even if Threads abandoned ActivityPub down the line, where we would end up is exactly where we are now. XMPP did not exist on its own outside of nerd circles, while ActivityPub enjoys the support and brand recognition of Mastodon.
That is a stunning display of naïveté.
Can you give more I go on what you think will happen instead? I don’t doubt it’s naive, but it was my first impression. However, trying to extend skepticism to this, I guess the scenario is that threads federates, uses existing community to grow, becomes significantly larger, then starts creating proprietary protocols to draw users to its own app then enshittifies it.
This also could cause a Streisand effect, just like Elon Musk did it with Stonetoss and Hans Kristian Graebener.
Musk and neonazi artist Stonetoss? Tell me more
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After a lot of data-diving, people doxx Stonetoss. They found two live recordings, which confirm he was RedPanels. On gab, he used an email starting with hgraebener, then further data diving confirms his name.
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While it wasn’t 100% sure to this point, he begun blocking any leftist accounts he could, then beg Elon to “protect free speech”, which pretty much confirms it.
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Extreme crackdown on doxxing begin. People reported timeouts just for posting the name, or the link to Know Your Meme about Stonetoss, which now contains the doxx, as well the memes related to it.
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treat
I assume you meant threat. Otherwise I misunderstood the rest of your comment dramatically :D
I guess I’m stupid but I don’t see where’s the evidence. I don’t understand anything that’s going on in that screenshot. Eli5?
Linking this helpful comment for anyone else confused by this.
That’s why I just moved from lemmy.world to an instance that defederated that Meta shit.
But surely meta has good intentions and we should totally trust them guys!!1!
Big corporations coming to tge fediverse will be epic 420 69! I like my tech, not because how it improves my life, but because HYPE! /s
Seriously, they were blocking mention of competition (pixelfed) on threads before they launched their first attempt at federation.
Why is everyone so opposed to
cancerThreads coming to the Fediverse?
One of the rarer moments I’m proud of my (previous decision)[https://lemmy.cafe/post/1852188]!
I tested this and I did not got blocked or anything. https://www.threads.net/@mogoh_viol/post/C4xsvpKMZb8 So I assume, this was just an accident.
I know everybody loves to hate meta, I am am not a fan either, but I find it hard to belive that they outright ban the word pixelfed.
So something changed between then and now. Wish the picture had absolute timestamps instead of the relative ones. I’m on mobile so I’m not about to try to dive into EXIF to find out when that was happening.
Or maybe the original post was simply muted for a different reason.
Does it matter though if Threads actually did this now? Something like this WILL happen in the future, it is the only kind of behavior large corporations are capable of when they interact with a commons they have the incentive to enclose.
What a weak thing for such a big company to do. Censor the mention of an open source competitor that almost no one uses.
I think it’s a lot more common than most people would realize. Capitalism hates talking about things that let’s normal people do things for free.
That’s why we as regular people need to spread the word as effectively as possible.
It’s like combat, companies like this see it as necessary to take every protective step possible, they have an inferior product so manipulation is the only way to maintain their monopoly
Huh, well look at that. Meta being exactly as bad a corporate citizen as one would expect. This is why defederation is wise. I have no patience for the folks who think we’re somehow not being fair to poor old Meta. Support the fedipact. Push your instance to defederate.
They are not and will never be a positive contributor to the fediverse. It’s another thing to exploit, enshittify, and ruin for them, that’s all.
https://wedistribute.org/2023/06/making-sense-of-the-argument-around-meta/
Agreed.
For people who wish to know which instances are federated/defederated with Threads check here https://fedipact.veganism.social/
Go feddit.uk (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤
This is a by-the-book and extremely predictable case of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
I think that EEE would not be as impactfull here - I mean, at this stage, without Meta and already at small numbers, if they went through the EEE cycle we’d probably just be in the same position. Meta people came, and then left, nothing really changes. The people who are here are already decided to avoid Meta and other platforms, and they already have features Fediverse doesn’t.
My issue is that by Federating, Meta is stealing and monetizing our content we post here, to fill their bullshit Threads with content, which its severely lacking. I hate that and don’t want that in the slightest.
I don’t jump right to EEE because more and more folks who weren’t alive (or aware) for the early examples of it don’t seem to believe it’s possible or could happen again. However, I agree with you entirely.
Unfortunately some people do not want to acknowledge that our large businesses are downright evil. For those who doubt this, consider the pharmaceutical companies that raised insulin prices up to hundreds of dollars a month. They did not give a single shit that people would die, so long as they increased profit from their captive audience. If big business doesn’t even care whether you live or die, why would they care about the much smaller stakes involved in the federated ActivityPub space?
I’m glad to see my instance is part of the FediPact! Thanks for the link.
You’re welcome!
What’s the point of planning to integrate with activitypub if they do shit like this?
Stage 1 of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
This only hides content locally for Threads users, it doesn’t affect visibility from any other fedi platform. It’s not that different from a Lemmy instance downvoting a comment to the point of being auto-hidden; it still exists but requires an extra click to see from your instance, and the rest of the fediverse can access it normally.
youre not going to get anywhere with this crowd. they are so overtly butthurt over the fact meta does anything with the activitypub protocol theres this fetish of ‘how dare you communicate with that corporate run instance’
dont bother with the logic that EmbraceExtendExtinguish only works if the rest of the verse adopts proprietary shit
just dont bother.
The point isn’t for other fedi users. It’s to deter Threads users from becoming proper fedi users. It used to be those popups only appeared when something genuinely touchy came up. Now they’re used for anything the parent company doesn’t like as a scare tactic but people don’t realise it. Google does this too with Play Protect.
Divide & Conquer
The short version is that Meta see any type of competitors has a treat to its capital. It will do whatever is needed to fight it and destroy it. They introduced stories for Snapchat, reels for TikTok, etc. With the fediverse, they federate to extinguish it.
To overrule it
It’d be a damn shame if everyone started putting pixelfed at the end of every message to both deny threads content and create a Streisand effect.
Picks “el fed”
I’m Pixelfed Rick
Most pixeled Shit I’ve ever seen
He was hit by Japanizing beam??
This is very, very tempting lol
Pixelfed
The Pixelfed team stated (https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/112138024510274956) that users were not able to reproduce the issue, so this is most likely a fake news.
