By Aaron Maté, RealClearInvestigationsApril 30, 2024
In successfully lobbying Congress for an additional $61 billion in Ukraine war funding, an effort that ended this month with celebratory Dem
It is comical propaganda that Ukraine had or has sovereignty. When Joe Biden tells you, if you want a lot of money, you run your government according to what he and what he represents deem fit such as firing Ukrainians in public office, is this really a sovereign nation? How about supporting a coup that subverted the democratic vote in that country? Ukraine is a political war. The EU and NATO wanted to bring the former Soviet states under a liberal umbrella by bringing them into the EU and NATO. All the while, the US was ignoring Russian security interests. The US has no interest in Ukraine. Whatever happens in Ukraine affects nothing in the US. American standard of living will not decrease because there is nothing vital in Ukraine for the US. The brings us further comical propaganda; the Ukrainian border is an American one, and if we don’t stop the Russians in Ukraine, they will take over Europe, and invade Los Angeles, and New City. This is nonsensical, but this is what the mainstream news media by way of government agencies want the public to believe. Again, who has credibility here?
It is comical propaganda that Ukraine had or has sovereignty.
No it’s not, according to the agreement among the Soviet states, Ukraine had the right to go independent, which was granted to Ukraine and other states that became independent. This was accepted by everybody until crazy Putin chose to ignore it.
You are either a Russian agent or a Russian agent and a traitor.
Right, like the right to stage a coup because the Russians offered a better economic deal that was far more lenient than the harsh IMF and EU deal that gave the Ukrainians much better economic support than what the EU could have provided. The Ukrainian leadership chose a better economic deal while fully aware of the tensions between NATO and Russia. They operated in good faith. The Ukrainian nationalist does not operate in good faith, because like a lot of toxic nationality, they are irrational, and don’t make wise decisions. Ukraine was not going to be a sovereign country while being in the EU and NATO. Sovereignty and democracy or even prosperity is what Western Ukrainians wanted, they wanted to go with the EU, because they hated Russians, and NATO is arming nationalist who hate Russians and Russia. The Russians view that as an existential threat. Had the Ukrainians wisely became non-aligned, they would not be in this predicament today. The Russian tried economic sanctions, even an economic deal that was much better than the EU deal. For decades, since the after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia expressed security concerns with NATO expansion. The Ukrainians were lead to a destructive path by the US. The Russians simply wanted a neutral Ukraine, like the way Finland was neutral for decades after WWII, but no reasonable minds prevailed.
Ukraine would have been just fine as a neutral state. But, because they want the freedom to choose as a sovereign country to subvert democracy, they choose to destroy their country. The Western Ukrainians, that is. The Russians are not in Ukraine because of Ukrainians per se, they are there because of the US who has no business being next door to Russia, arming, and training the Ukrainians under the pretense of NATO membership. Even today, the US continues to say Ukraine will still be part of NATO, which is egging on the Russians. The US wants no diplomacy with Russia. There is absolutely zero interest in any kind of compromise with Russia. The US wants its own way, their way, or the highway. No consideration for the security concerns of other countries, the US will get in trouble, and bring victims along with it. The war was preventable by the US, and the US is the principal reason why Russia acted preemptively.
I assume you’re talking about Euromaidan. I’ll point out the protests wouldn’t have happened if that president hadn’t reversed constitutional amendments that weakened his power and were supported by 90% of their legislators, jailed opposition leaders and backed away from a popular treaty.
Also, yes, it is still a sovereign nation. You do not lose sovereignty just because you listen to someone as part of a deal.
You are right on one thing though, the US was ignoring Russia’s security interests. Their need to have an even larger amount of land for their own security is not considered important. Everyone else manages just fine with far less.
Euromaidan had nothing to do with the president’s domestic policy and had everything to do with foreign policy. The US wanted to isolate Ukraine from Russia, including steering Ukrainian big business away from Russia. The Russians provided an economic deal than the EU could give. The declared independent republics wasn’t about whether Yanukovych was strengthening or weakening his own power. Even the news media doesn’t claim your explanation.
Yes, the foreign policy was the spark that ignited everything. Had he not already pissed his people off with domestic mistakes though, like repealing their amendments, I doubt they would have all turned on him for just foreign policy.
But go ahead, keeping blaming it on shadowy US control instead of pissed off Ukrainians.
You should actually read through that article too, btw, the demands, timeline and linked section on the Revolution of Dignity are interesting. I didn’t know the US actually pushed for leaving Yanukovych in power. Disappointing.
You did not read the article. The reason why the Ukrainian government did not sign the Association Agreement with the EU is because the loan terms were harsh, and the Russians simply offered a much better deal with very few strings attached. The EU offered $850 million in loans while the Russians offered $15 billion dollars in loans, and cheap gas. This is why Ukrainian leadership did not side with the EU. The IMF wanted 40% tariffs on natural gas, to cut government sending, and the whole 9 yards, including changing their own laws. Let me point out this awfully bad lie that Ukraine, as a sovereign country, would make a sovereign choice to join NATO and the EU; by joining NATO, you forfeit your own foreign policy for the US providing security. European foreign states in NATO and the EU do not have sovereignty. EU states are controlled by the EU, which has its office in Brussels. None of them have “sovereignty”. Sovereignty and democracy are not the motivating factors in staging a proxy war in Ukraine, it is through NATO, which the US exercises influence over the European states, and that is why principally, the conflict with Russia was spearheaded by the US, not France, or Germany. The UK being a prime exception.
It is comical propaganda that Ukraine had or has sovereignty. When Joe Biden tells you, if you want a lot of money, you run your government according to what he and what he represents deem fit such as firing Ukrainians in public office, is this really a sovereign nation? How about supporting a coup that subverted the democratic vote in that country? Ukraine is a political war. The EU and NATO wanted to bring the former Soviet states under a liberal umbrella by bringing them into the EU and NATO. All the while, the US was ignoring Russian security interests. The US has no interest in Ukraine. Whatever happens in Ukraine affects nothing in the US. American standard of living will not decrease because there is nothing vital in Ukraine for the US. The brings us further comical propaganda; the Ukrainian border is an American one, and if we don’t stop the Russians in Ukraine, they will take over Europe, and invade Los Angeles, and New City. This is nonsensical, but this is what the mainstream news media by way of government agencies want the public to believe. Again, who has credibility here?
No it’s not, according to the agreement among the Soviet states, Ukraine had the right to go independent, which was granted to Ukraine and other states that became independent. This was accepted by everybody until crazy Putin chose to ignore it.
You are either a Russian agent or a Russian agent and a traitor.
Right, like the right to stage a coup because the Russians offered a better economic deal that was far more lenient than the harsh IMF and EU deal that gave the Ukrainians much better economic support than what the EU could have provided. The Ukrainian leadership chose a better economic deal while fully aware of the tensions between NATO and Russia. They operated in good faith. The Ukrainian nationalist does not operate in good faith, because like a lot of toxic nationality, they are irrational, and don’t make wise decisions. Ukraine was not going to be a sovereign country while being in the EU and NATO. Sovereignty and democracy or even prosperity is what Western Ukrainians wanted, they wanted to go with the EU, because they hated Russians, and NATO is arming nationalist who hate Russians and Russia. The Russians view that as an existential threat. Had the Ukrainians wisely became non-aligned, they would not be in this predicament today. The Russian tried economic sanctions, even an economic deal that was much better than the EU deal. For decades, since the after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia expressed security concerns with NATO expansion. The Ukrainians were lead to a destructive path by the US. The Russians simply wanted a neutral Ukraine, like the way Finland was neutral for decades after WWII, but no reasonable minds prevailed.
Remind me, what country invaded Ukraine?
Obviously the US and the EU! /s
Ukraine would have been just fine as a neutral state. But, because they want the freedom to choose as a sovereign country to subvert democracy, they choose to destroy their country. The Western Ukrainians, that is. The Russians are not in Ukraine because of Ukrainians per se, they are there because of the US who has no business being next door to Russia, arming, and training the Ukrainians under the pretense of NATO membership. Even today, the US continues to say Ukraine will still be part of NATO, which is egging on the Russians. The US wants no diplomacy with Russia. There is absolutely zero interest in any kind of compromise with Russia. The US wants its own way, their way, or the highway. No consideration for the security concerns of other countries, the US will get in trouble, and bring victims along with it. The war was preventable by the US, and the US is the principal reason why Russia acted preemptively.
The correct answer was only 1 word.
Bullshit, that was what we tried, but Russia invaded anyway.
I assume you’re talking about Euromaidan. I’ll point out the protests wouldn’t have happened if that president hadn’t reversed constitutional amendments that weakened his power and were supported by 90% of their legislators, jailed opposition leaders and backed away from a popular treaty.
Also, yes, it is still a sovereign nation. You do not lose sovereignty just because you listen to someone as part of a deal.
You are right on one thing though, the US was ignoring Russia’s security interests. Their need to have an even larger amount of land for their own security is not considered important. Everyone else manages just fine with far less.
Euromaidan had nothing to do with the president’s domestic policy and had everything to do with foreign policy. The US wanted to isolate Ukraine from Russia, including steering Ukrainian big business away from Russia. The Russians provided an economic deal than the EU could give. The declared independent republics wasn’t about whether Yanukovych was strengthening or weakening his own power. Even the news media doesn’t claim your explanation.
Yes, the foreign policy was the spark that ignited everything. Had he not already pissed his people off with domestic mistakes though, like repealing their amendments, I doubt they would have all turned on him for just foreign policy.
But go ahead, keeping blaming it on shadowy US control instead of pissed off Ukrainians.
You should actually read through that article too, btw, the demands, timeline and linked section on the Revolution of Dignity are interesting. I didn’t know the US actually pushed for leaving Yanukovych in power. Disappointing.
You did not read the article. The reason why the Ukrainian government did not sign the Association Agreement with the EU is because the loan terms were harsh, and the Russians simply offered a much better deal with very few strings attached. The EU offered $850 million in loans while the Russians offered $15 billion dollars in loans, and cheap gas. This is why Ukrainian leadership did not side with the EU. The IMF wanted 40% tariffs on natural gas, to cut government sending, and the whole 9 yards, including changing their own laws. Let me point out this awfully bad lie that Ukraine, as a sovereign country, would make a sovereign choice to join NATO and the EU; by joining NATO, you forfeit your own foreign policy for the US providing security. European foreign states in NATO and the EU do not have sovereignty. EU states are controlled by the EU, which has its office in Brussels. None of them have “sovereignty”. Sovereignty and democracy are not the motivating factors in staging a proxy war in Ukraine, it is through NATO, which the US exercises influence over the European states, and that is why principally, the conflict with Russia was spearheaded by the US, not France, or Germany. The UK being a prime exception.