The GoP won’t disparage their boy.
The DNC just doesn’t have the same manpower, thousands of underpaid people and bad AI and american volunteers, and without all that manpower can’t keep up on the “but his stammer” / “both sides” bullshit.
Because this election isn’t going to be decided by hard core Democrats and only one person on that stage looked mentally incompetent. And I understand he’s not, but man is that going to be a helluva thing to prove to people who don’t watch politics. People who tuned into the debate because they were undecided.
MAGA will vote for Trump no matter what. Democrats would rather vote for a corpse than vote for Trump. Which means we don’t need Biden to save democracy: anyone will do.
I don’t understand how anyone… ever …can reconcile that Biden has let through 9.000.000+ illegal immigrants in a few short years and already begun to the social unrest as a result…
But further to that we can see the elections system remains easily defrauded, suggesting issues that could result in illegal immirants getting away with voting and having their vote counted…
The only way I can see Bidens actions and inactions being a good thing is he seems to be rapidly accelerating the totality of collapse that can bring the country to essentially civil war and a breaking up of the states between red and blue … which could result in more of an EU situation
You think the illegal population has increased by over 70% in 3 years? How does one get to be this gullible to propaganda?
You can see the footage of it, and the stats, you don’t have to try hard either, YouTube shows the endless sea flooding in daily, and then states are giving them money and a bunch of handouts. This is real, this is happening, like how long can you keep your head in the sand for
Wait til you find out about climate migration.
YouTube videos aren’t really great proof of anything. A bunch of YouTube videos get debunked daily. I also haven’t found any stats of 9 million illegal immigrants, can you point me in the right direction?
Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that 9,000,000 number.
looks around
Gonna need one for that “social unrest” too.
I mean I keep seeing articles of people being murdered by illegal immigrants, is it pure scare mongering?
And I’m really quite surprised I’d be upvoted by this as anyone that enjoys freedom and a good quality of life should really understand what’s going on
is it pure scare mongering?
Yes
Yes it is pure scare mongering, that is how most media makes money. You are more likely to be murdered by your parents than an immigrant. What do you mean by “what’s going on?” I enjoy freedom and good quality of life, which is why I think borders shouldn’t exist.
What’s going on? You have open borders, completely open, border control is a formality for the airports. Anyone from any motivation can walk into the states freely unchecked, unquestioned, unchallenged, for free; undocumented… since Biden laxed the laws dramatically… and on top, taxpayer money is being spent supporting these immigrants. Truly truly mind boggling stuff.
I’ve literally watched live streams of the endless flood coming across.
America is under attack by its own government policy, it’s like you’ve fought wars before but never such an internal war.
It’s the woke mind virus, it’s a cancer of the mind… it’s so sad to watch unfold
It is one of America’s ideals to help people everywhere find a better life and live the ‘American dream.’ You don’t support this patriotic ideal? Thousands of refugees from the endless global wars that the US helps initiate come to our borders to find salvation. I gladly pay taxes to help needy immigrants because that is supposedly one of the foundational elements of ‘America’.
But we are ruled by the wealthy who trick average people to be mad at immigrants instead of wage theft, wealth redistribution, unchecked global atrocities and war crimes done in the name profit, Raytheon et al and the military-industrial complex. I have been to the border, my friends and family have a lot of experience in border towns and there is no dangerous immigrant invasion going on like portrayed by the media. And what open borders? Biden has deported more people than Trump.
I have such a strong disagreement on the idea of Biden being better with illegal immigration than trump that I’m convinced you’re a Russian bot intended to post pro Biden rhetoric as he’s done more damage to America than any nuke could ever achieve
Yes, we know that conservatives constantly foam at the mouth at the thought of collapse or inciting violence.
Specifically, focussing on two related things only, the illegal immigration and the proven loopholes for Voting/election fraud.
These pillars of democracy ate important and real… no one is foaming at the mouth for collapse, on the contrary… conservatives and non conservatives alike want freedom and peaceful respectable lives
Can you give us some examples of election fraud?
Wow. An actual conservative point of view. Can we keep him everybody? Pretty please? 🥺
Because Biden was the ‘electability’ candidate, and he’s looking pretty fucking un-electable.
The argument against swapping out candidates with 4 months to go is ostensibly because it’s not enough time to campaign, but that’s the reason Biden needs to be tapped out. Whoever is running needs to be able to clearly prosecute the case against Trump, but Biden can’t even deliver a coherent sentence. Even when he’s reading off prompter he’s flubbing words, missing cues, and can barely remember who’s still alive and who’s already dead. We can’t just hope people will read between the broken sentences; Biden needs to be able to campaign for himself. Turnout will be so fucking low if he doesn’t do his fucking job, and that will be nobody’s fault but his and the DNC’s if they don’t fucking do something now.
Quit complaining about how the press is reporting on his flubs; they’re not inventing that problem whole-cloth, Biden is clearly not doing well. People should be irate that the white house and the DNC have been ignoring this issue that’s been growing steadily for the last 3 and a half years.
We loose if we do nothing about this. Fullstop.
How loose are we though?
DNC doesn’t care and pretending they do is pointless.
Harris needs to get out there and campaign hard.
Because one was par for the course while the other was very unexpected.
Person 1 who missed the debate: How’d the debate go?
Person 2 who watched it: Well Trump lied thru his teeth for every answer.
Person 1 sarcastically: Wow what a shocker 🙄 and how did Biden do?
Person 2: Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.
Well he answered the question about abortion by ranting about an immigrant woman dying at the border.
No no. Far worse.
How an immigrant murdered this woman who was pregnant. And that there’s lots of it. Maybe? And then rambling about women being raped all the time by their family.But at least that was before they both started arguing just fine about golf handicaps.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Here’s a summary: Not only did Trump repeatedly lie, but he also delivered nonsensical responses and non-answers lacking any insight into his policy plans.
For example, when moderator Jake Tapper asked what he would do to make child care more affordable, the presumptive GOP nominee initially dodged the question.
Later, when Trump was given an opportunity at the debate to address voter concerns over his mental fitness, the 77-year-old offered two points to alleviate the public’s fears.
Also of concern on the debate stage, Trump didn’t commit to unconditionally accepting the election results and underscored his intentions to seek political retribution.
Commentator Kaivan Shroff remarked that the media has chosen to “ignore Trump being a convicted felon, racist, nutjob, etc” while journalist Sophia Nelson said on CNN that she believed it’s fair to question Biden after his performance, but warned of the “pile-on” against him.
“It’s frankly astonishing that we have no less than eight op-ed pieces calling for Biden to drop out after a bad debate, but we had zero after any one of Trump’s convictions,” journalist Victoria Brownworth wrote.
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The billionaire owners of the media have a vested interest in Trump’s agenda
Vested interest in any government that doesn’t threaten their wealth. Capitalists always thrive in fascism.
Somebody should plot a chart of media company revenues vs. political candidates and compare it with the stories they run.
I hope I’m wrong, but I suspect there may be some cross-correlation.
Oh you’re spot on. Trump likes to go on about his ratings, but even people who wouldn’t vote for him in a million years watch him. He’s entertaining. I don’t suppose it would be so bad if so many people didn’t see him as more than entertaining.
I’ve been guilty of it for 9 years now. “What crazy thing will Trump do next?” I used to sit when something would happen and refresh his twitter page because I knew that whatever he was about to do, it was going to be thoroughly entertaining.
I’ve found myself thinking, “this can’t be real” so many times.
You couldn’t give me anything to give him a vote because I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I can see why a lot of people do. There have always been people who believe that leaders should lead through shows of strength. I get it, but I believe that leaders should lead through intelligence. A leader should be calm, collected, strategic, and intelligent. I just don’t see Donald Trump as any of those things. I see him as impulsive and a threat to the progress that so many people have fought for.
Biden’s performance at the debate has me terrified. It would have taken him sitting there drooling on the ground to frighten me enough to vote for Trump. I’m really hoping all the people who showed up in 2020 feel the same way. The damage an angry Trump could do this time could be irreparable. We all seen the “save America” rally and everything that followed. We’ve seen his stacked courts give him the power of a king. Take a moment and watch the videos of him recording his message to the people on Jan 6 if you haven’t seen it. Not the message itself, but the process of recording it.
I’ll shut up now. Y’all be good. :p
They could Weekend at Bernie’s Biden and I’d still vote for him over trump. He could be a fucking desiccated corpse, and as long as someone is there to move his stiff wrist across bills on his desk, he’s still a magnitude better.
Dems and leftists can rightfully bemoan this old fuck leading us again, but holy shit we are dealing with either an embarrassing but mostly effective fogey or a guy who wants to be the fucking emperor and is gleefully planning the literal destruction of our democracy as we know it.
The choice is so easy.
Because the people surrounding Biden are good at their jobs. Each has a weakness: Trump is a liar and Biden is old and forgetful. Trump’s people made no effort to hide Trump’s weakness, but Biden’s people did a good job of hiding it up to the debate. That people are surprised is a good sign that Biden surrounded himself with competent people - but also this is what debates are suppose to do, reveal the true candidates to the nation.
Or maybe unlike basically any president before him in modern times Biden has the lowest public appearance rate and the least press meetings since fucking Reagan and he even had more with his early onset dementia.
Biden has literally hidden from view and hoped decorum and order would see him through to a second term and it’s not working especially when he comes south of the shadows and drops a debate like what we saw.
Honestly the people around Biden aren’t competent either. They are just rich people from prestigious colleges who “yes and” and want to stay influential and paid. They do their job which is more than Trump’s cabinet but none of them are some heroic savior of this terrible presidential election no matter how much you want it to be.
Appease the thoughts of him losing however you want but that won’t stop it either.
Trump lying is no news. He performed as everyone expected.
Nobody expected anything else of Trump. Him lying is no longer news. It’s just how it is.
At this point, it’s clear his base does not read the news outside of their own bubbles, so why do people care that at least in our own bubble we remain critical. Otherwise, it’s a continued shift from a vote between full on fascism or a one party state.
Vote for the administration, not the man.
This is not that difficult. Both of these geezers have been president before. We know what teams they put together, what their agendas are, and the consequences of their administration.
There is only one big fucking faux pas on the Biden administration, and that is their continuing support for Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza. That is no good, but what is Trump’s stance on Gaza? His administration wants to accelerate and intensify support of the genocide.
Both candidates suck as individuals, but only one of the administrations has been competent and generally good for all citizens.
Do you guys really not remember anything from the last 3.5 years? I get not liking Trumps admin, but Bidens admin has objectively been so poorly run it makes me wonder if they are fucking everything up intentionally. Biden has to be the worst admin in my lifetime even beating out the George W Bush debacle that got us into two endless wars.
Even a quick glance at your comment history makes my brain hurt. That amount of delusion amd willful ignorance literally has you living in an alternate reality.
I am sorry that reading makes you brain hurt.
You reckon poorly run but you don’t give any examples.
What has his administration done worse than the tangerine terrors?
Good question! Off the top of my head; no border control, terrible afghanistan withdrawl (but props he went through with it), pushing us closer to WW3 (see recent new of China doing joint exercises in Belarus), continued reckless spending done by trump, continued funding of Ukraine enabling deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, funding bombs dropped on Gaza, and more!
Border control? Now you know how the native Indians felt. I have no idea why so many Central American countries are unstable, which forces people to migrate to somewhere they perceived as safer for their families.
Afghanistan was baby Bush’s mess. Do we blame Nixon for pulling out of Vietnam?
Closer to WW3? Really, I must have missed that memo because I don’t see that happening.
Cut funding to Ukraine. Hmmmm… give in to bully Putin you mean. And you bring up China: How would China act on the global stage if they saw the US tucked tail to run in Ukraine? Embolden for sure.
As for Gaza, annoying orange would have bent over backwards to appease AIPAC and glassed Gaza.
But let’s ask what the fake tanned arsewiped did for two whole years that he had full control of the house, senate and WH? Tax cut for himself? What else…?
And who can forget the one million dead from covid, because he made it political. No other country in the world suffered the impact the US had. Guess injecting bleach or looking directly at an eclipse without protective glasses on isn’t clever.
I love when you guys defend indefensible policies. I can give you a deep dive on any one of these things, but you will just say some random nonsense that you think sounds good.
Indefensible? Like wanting a pedophile, rapist, convicted felon as party leader? What is wrong with you? That’s some serious malfunction if you look at him and say “yup, he’s dur one fur mee”
I dont want trump as leader, but he is not what you claim. A funny and slightly true quote is a prayer that says “Lord give me the Trump that the left thinks exists.” The issue is that you just repeat the same propaganda and it just boring. You dont have anything interesting to say that is why you guys are called NPCs.
Trump’s administration is asking why Israel isn’t using nukes
You know, in case anyone had any doubts at all
This makes perfect sense,tankies are just zionists riling up the trump base so they can nuke Gaza.
Makes 1000x more sense than what the tankies say they want.
Stop making up paranoid delusional conspiracy to ease your mind of the unfortunate truth that people just don’t like him.
People are emotional idiots. Apparently including all of us.
You know, because nuclear bombs can be contained and certainly don’t carry any irradiated winds that would affect civilian populations only a fence away.
And the minor factor of Iran?
You are right, the Democratic administration is fucking terrible. But its still better than the republicans. Can’t wait to vote third party on the next election cycle when people tell me i can vote how i wish.
I agree with you all the way up to voting 3rd party.
It has never worked out how everyone thinks it will. Why would this time be different?
We have first past the post here. Meaning first across the finish line. And 2 candidates are neck and neck a few steps from it. You can vote for one of them to pull into the lead a bit OR you can vote for a person still standing at the starting line that has no hope to ever win.
It’s wild to me that people don’t see that. It’s about keeping Trump from winning and ACCELERATING THE GAZA GENOCIDE!!! There just simply isn’t the momentum to elect a 3rd party right now this cycle so close to the end. You have to start that momentum and push WAYYY sooner and be competitive and stay close to the lead or it is over for you.
Voting 3rd party now is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring reality.
I completely understand that neither main candidate is perfect.
If Trump wins, but your vote could have helped Biden win, how will your conscience handle that? Knowing you could have at least stopped Trump, but didn’t? Is feeling good about your vote going to outweigh the reality if Trump wins?
It’s like refusing to put out a fire with dirty water so you let the whole building burn down. Let’s use the dirty water and stop the fire and THEN clean up the muddy mess from it.
I think we both agree that first past the post is a blight. And the only option to stop that would be either voting third party, or a violent Revolution that sees both parties on the end of a rope. The democrats have killed changing voting to ranked choice at local levels, even after being successfully voted for, because just like republicans they know that not allowing a choice is the only thing giving them power. The second that there is risk free voting for platforms you actually care about, they are fucking done.
You can always vote how you wish. Voting third party in the presidential election is always just a vanity vote. Nothing about the next election will change this. If you want to change it, you’re going to have to go out and work from the ground up.
I believe that the Democrat Party is so terrible that the second the republicans ease up, the built up hate against the democrats will make third parties more palatable, or the democrats will take their head out of their collective asses and push left policies.
Even if a third party rises up and unseats a major party, we’ll still revert quickly to a two party system and the issue will persist. This is what I mean about it being a vanity vote: it solves nothing.
If you want to dismantle the two party system, you have to change how we vote. That ain’t coming from the top down. Get out locally and support groups and policies that push star or ranked choice voting. This is how we get that change.
Voting in a presidential election, as of now, is a strategic decision. For the vast majority of people, that means voting for the “lesser of two evils” as much as we hate it.
Not going to happen locally as long as democrats are in power. So my first order of business is to vote them out. I already mentioned that i was voting Biden i am quite sure
Not going to happen locally as long as democrats are in power.
Well, I have local democrats who are actually pushing the change, so I disagree. However, even if what you say is true, your ability to influence policy is much greater locally, so you can unseat democrats there. My point still stands: voting third party in the presidential election has virtually no hope of solving the problem.
California https://ballot-access.org/2022/02/20/california-bill-to-ban-ranked-choice-voting/
It’s a Democratic platform to oppose RCV and with such excuses as it will confuse the black population. Just… woof…
I was specifically told that i could vote my opinion on the matter after the presidential election, but not a second before.
News feeds on drama so they have to foment turmoil. Also, every news source of consequence has a trump donor CEO (even the liberal biased ones)…so…
John Stuart said it best - Trump meet everyone’s expectations of him. His followers are either deranged or are just exploiting his madness. Biden was the one with something to prove and he ducking blew it.
He could have been better. But there are more debates. He can come out stronger next time.
He could have been better
Lmao no shit, would’ve been hard to have been worse
You’re right. He could have been Trump.
Didn’t Trump gain support from the debate while Biden lost it to the degree that people from his own party are openly calling for him to drop out?
He’s still a rapist. So there’s that.
I don’t think that came up or showed in the debate so probably didn’t affect it. This is about the debate performance and its effect after all. If people didn’t care about that before the debate, they’re not going to suddenly care after it.
You mean I take more information than just a debate to make a decision?
That’s not how old age works. Biden is not getting better, that’s the whole point. This wasn’t a political gaffe, it was a consequence of the inevitable collapse of age. Biden needs to step down, literally the only way Dems have a chance to win at this point.
Disagree. He’s been a good president and far better than his opponent. His ACTIONS are a million times better than Trump.
I agree, but as Carter showed, being a good president isn’t enough to get reelected.
Better then Trump is a low bar and you know it.
No one sane said that he was a bad president (although he could have been a lot better) just that he is too old for the job.
I would say that anyone younger and progressive would do better than him.
I would trade Biden in for someone ten years older if it meant we’d get a strict and intelligent moderator
You seem to be missing the most important point here - with cognitive decline from advanced age, time is not on your side. Biden would likely be worse in a future debate, if he doesn’t do the right thing and step down immediately.
Tongue tied isn’t the same as what happened with Biden on the debate night. It’s theoretically possible for Trump to stop lying or at least restrain himself, because it’s not a physical ailment that only gets worse as time goes by. Compare 2020 debate Trump vs 2024 debate Trump and you’ll see how much better he was this time. Biden on the other hand has no control over what is going on with him, and it doesn’t get better with age, only goes the opposite direction. He did good during his 4 years, but he’s only tarnishing his legacy by running again. He should quit while he’s ahead.
Trump is almost as old as Biden and probably more senile. It’s not just lying, Trump has a complete lack of understanding about how anything in the government functions. He only sounds coherent to many people because he literally says nothing.
If you re-watch the debate, you’ll see Biden actually responds to questions about his policies and platform. Trump never comes close. Part of that is probably because he has no platform, but largely because I don’t think he’s capable of answering those questions.
Senile has a very specific meaning, and while Trump is a number of things, he’s nowhere near as senile as Biden yet. Biden lost trains of thought constantly, and tried to find a fitting word to complete his sentence, jumped from one subject to another, and ended up beating medicare. Just watch Biden in the 2020 debate and now. Tell me you don’t see an astounding difference.
