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return2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 11 months ago

July 2024 Swing State Polls: Harris Trails Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Tied in Wisconsin - Emerson Polling

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July 2024 Swing State Polls: Harris Trails Trump in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Tied in Wisconsin - Emerson Polling

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return2ozma@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 11 months ago
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Majority of Democrats in Swing States Say Harris Should be Nominated at DNC  New Emerson…Full Release & Results
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    Points out what you’re saying isn’t true

    “Okay but it’s still indefinite and he wants to close the border”

    As I addressed, both of those are false, but if you would like to ignore the truth and retreat to your comfortable talking points where you can pretend the Dems only want to do good things to fight the Reps then go ahead.

    What you’re forgetting is that Indefinite Detainment, (which lasts usually until Trial, on which case they go to a real prison or are deported) only applies to literal terrorists and cartel members, and that the Biden “Closed Border” Policy only applies to illegal between-port-of-entry immigration, legal immigration through legal ports of entry is still completely allowed under this policy, and has several exemptions for humanitarian concerns.

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      “Only applies to” so you admit that it is, in fact, happening. So when you say, “Points out what you were saying isn’t true,” and “both of those are false,” you’re just brazenly lying and contradicting yourself.

      You’re not going to convince me that trusting border cops to indefinitely detain whoever they feel like, so long as they accuse them of being a terrorist first, is in any way a good idea or not xenophobic. I don’t give a shit about the distinction between “legal” and “illegal” ports of entry either.

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        You can’t say you don’t care about specifics when the specifics specifically refute what you’re saying.

        You can ignore the difference between legal ports of entry and the rest of the border, but the entirety of border law is built upon this difference, so ignoring this difference immediately makes you irrelevant among all professional discussion of the border. There’s also a massive difference between closing the border and closing the border in areas where it can’t be regulated, which is what the Biden administration did, the border is not closed.

        “Border Cops” aren’t the ones doing the investigations into Cartel and terrorist group members, that would be DHS. There’s a massive difference between DHS getting the name and identity of a terrorist, putting them on a list, their name coming up to Border Control at the border, and then Border Control holding them until DHS can investigate, and “every immigrant is detained indefinitely with no lawyer in terrible conditions” which was your original claim.

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