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Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 10 months ago

Jill Stein, Claudia De la Cruz, and Cornel West urge voters to Abandon Harris over Gaza

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Socialist Mormon Satanist@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world · 10 months ago
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    Guess that makes you pro genocide then, because in this world, ethics are messy, and not getting involved means allowing Russia to genocide Ukrainians.

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      I can’t believe you would look at Ukraine, which has been stockpiling weapons for 10 years (provided by every Western power), which has membership in the United Nations, which gets nothing but sympathetic coverage in the Western media (because they’re white), and say “this is just like Gaza”.

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        Did I say it was just like gaza? no.

        I did say it was a genocidal campaign, though.

        By the way, this war started in 2014, with the invasion and annexation of Crimea. So, naturally they’ve been seeking weapons for that long.

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          I did say it was a genocidal campaign, though.

          But it’s not. Russia isn’t targeting civilians.

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            Sure. I believe you. Totally.

            You mean, aside from the systematic attack on healthcare, and their Schools, and other , Civilian, infrastructure.

            Including blowing up a hydro electric damn and flooding an entire region.

            oh, and lets just ignore the cultural genocide of abducting children

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              As tragic as the situation in Ukraine is, you can’t just call everything genocide. That’s a disservice to the victims of actual genocide.

              Here’s some information about genocide:

              https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/

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                Genocide is defined, under international treaty- specifically, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide , aka, the Geneva Convention.

                Specifically, Article 2 defines genocide as:

                In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

                1. Killing members of the group;
                2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
                3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
                4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
                5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

                Care to explain how 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 aren’t literally all being ticked off by Russian forces in Ukraine? any one of those actions is sufficient.

                Even according to your own source… Russia is ticking most of those stages- 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. 10. the only one (so far as I know,) not being actively engaged in is “symbolization” and I would suggest that’s not necessary for a genocide. at least not in a literal “force them to wear symbols of their oppression” level of symbolization.

                and you’re also participating in #10, too.

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                  and you’re also participating in #10, too.

                  That’s enough. We’re done here.

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