Among the most significant changes with this year’s Elements releases has little to do with new features but instead concerns the ways users purchase and own the software. While prior versions of Photoshop and Premiere Elements have been lifetime licenses — the user buys the software and then owns it indefinitely — this year’s release has moved to a three-year license term.
Who uses their shitty programs anyway? There are better alternatives for them all.
Pretty much the vast majority of the professionals and amateurs in the creative area and hobbyists all around too
the reason people use it is because theyre educated in the skillset, and likely use it for work because their workplace mandates it.
not everyone is a freelance artist/video editor. Those have much more freedom on their tool choices.
Don’t even dare say Gimp lmao
People use them because they’re industry standard, and the value you get out of them is greater than the price of the products.
I fucking hate Adobe so much. Their software has been in a nose dive for years now. I still have to use it for work at the moment, but I’m slowly seeing signs that alternatives are picking up enough adoption to finally ditch them.
I ditched after CS6… immediately when they said it would go to subscription I installed darktable
The new license comes in this really cute collar! To activate it. Simply lock the collar on the user’s neck and bam! You got 3 years of free Adobe Acrobat and Elements!
Do not take the collar off. It is secured by Battle Royale Inc. it will remove the user’s neck area separating the top part from the bottom part. It’s a very strict but effective license option!
Does it come with a bunny tail?
Also, the collar may cause slight discomfort including (but not limited to) itching, rashes, choking, rashes and llergic reactions). For such cases, we have technitians availiable in 20+ of the world’s largest cities to help you alleviate the symptoms! (You’ll have to get an appointment through a fake AI robocall first)
T&C
Any attempt to touch the collar by a person not wearing it will cause the collar to start burning the flesh of both the toucher and wearer. When the wesrer wishes to use Adobe Elements, they have to plug in their collar into the computer. Only the wearer may touch the wire of the collar - any attempt by a 3rd party to touch the collar will cause a 80dB screeching noise to be emitted by the collar. Any complains must be arbitrated. We will not budge like those pussies over at Disney. If you’re an EU citizen you have to renounce your citizenship if you wish to use Adobe products. Our products may onle be used in progressive democracies with strong corporate freedom of forced arbitration.
Spoiler
Tbh I think I sold them way too short since their agreement would be at least 35000 words long
I love it!
This just in! The collars are now compatible with the new Samsung USB C battery packs! You know what that means right?
That’s right! The employees can now return home without the automatic head separation system going off! The battery packs are available at Walmart and Costco. They are not rechargeable one time use and biodegradable! You’re saving the planet! One pack allows the employee full freedom to go shopping, ho home, be with their family, watch someone take a shower and participate in conjugal visitation. You must not wet the collar to prevent accidental loss of GPS communication to the Deadman switch. Also plan your routes accordingly, you must not drive under any bridge or enter buildings with thickness greater than 12 inches of concrete.
I recently moved to Affinity Photo, so far so good.
Affinity got bought up by Canva. It’s only a matter of time that it will get enshittified. They are already giving non-profit and education subscribers free access to Affinity. Bet they will phase out perpetual licensing in the future.
Next time just pirate it. The Affinity people already got their fat cheque.
Nah, I’m happy to pay to own software I use but I refuse to rent it like Abobe wants.
I use Krita for photo editing, it’s open source and it’s free!
One of the best KDE apps.
In case you didn’t know, many other KDE apps are available for Windows and MacOS too. KDE Connect, Kate, kdenlive, Neochat, MarkNote, and a bunch of others.
Perpetual licenses are just scams. It’s always startup type trick to get new clients during on-boarding phase for startups. It should be forbidden. It was similar for uber when they were undercutting opponents with their under the cost prices
“Perpetual licenses” are what used to be called “normal sales.” Every “licensing” scheme except perpetual ones are scams!
No, they are just impossible to offer. Imagine such a license given to company which can “live” for centuries. Impossible. Perpetual licenses are almost impossible to offer. If they are possible it’s calculated that 99.999% of them will last than the expected timefrime np 3 years
I can easily imagine it. I’ve still got boxes full of software on floppy disks and CD-ROMs that I “perpetually licensed” (a.k.a. bought), so don’t try to bullshit me that it isn’t possible!
Because it’s a product ( CD ROM ) not service ( gog or steam ) so don’t bulshit me
The same software purchased digitally doesn’t magically become a “service”. Coincidentally, you can absolutely download and backup all your GOG games and then “own” them the same way you own your old CD ROMs.
https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-User-Agreement?product=gog see point 2.1 You get personal right to use gog services. As I said you rent it
gog services
That’s for their services. Any software you buy from them can be downloaded and used forever. Even if GoG goes out of business.
The same thing is in the terms and conditions for each of your old CD ROM games. The point is that they can’t physically keep you from using the DRM free software that you backed up locally.
The perceived difference has nothing to do with the game being a “service” or that perpetual licenses are not economically possible for “services” but with the fact that by the power of the Internet companies now have a way to brick your stuff remotely. And you accepted it when they put it in instead of voting with your wallet. Because you wanted Half Life 2 just so so so badly.
They’re doing it because they can, not because they have to.
The games I bought (not licensed) on Steam are also products (not services). Anybody who claims otherwise is either a self-serving liar or a fucking moron.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3062995463267283250/ show me then terms of service or example product eula
EULAs don’t have to say “you own this forever” because it’s implicit. Just like when you buy bananas at the grocer you aren’t forced to sign a EULA that says you can eat the banana or make a smoothie with it but can’t use it to make nuclear weapons or commit war crimes.
Let’s break this down: a product is an object that is delivered to a buyer. A service is an action or group of actions that is performed for the buyer. If I have to keep running my servers for your game client to connect to, push updates or offer tech support, I am providing a service because it requires me to keep doing something for the thing to work. If, on the other hand, all I do is give you some code you can run entirely on your machine - and it doesn’t matter if I give it to you on a CD, a floppy, via digital download or if I print it out as a big book for you to type yourself into a hex editor - then our transaction is finished when I deliver it to you and you pay me. There isn’t anything to license because now you own that copy of the code. My participation in what you do with it is finished, just like the grocer’s is finished when you leave his store with the bananas.
Do you understand now?
Perpetual licences are usually given for a certain version of a program though, with updates for a limited amount of time. You don’t get the new version of the software.
You can, however, continue to use that old piece of software in perpetuity.
A perpetual license doesn’t mean the company supports it forever; you know that, right? I have a copy of Quickbooks 2015 that I got the license key for from a closing company for about $25. I will never have to pay another dime for it, it’s a perpetual license and will run indefinitely. I just don’t get any updates at all, and I can’t run anything that requires updates or subscriptions like payroll or advanced features. But that’s absolutely fine for my purposes and works the same for many, many people. This is how things should be - if I’m fine with using an outdated version, there is zero reason I need a subscription license.
Not sure I trust Reckon to work indefinitely. I think it still has to phone home every five years or so, but not sure.
Once again if you bought a product ( like boxed software version ) yes ( with no support ). If you bought a service it’s impossible. People still believe that something may be free
A perpetual licence for a service isn’t possible, yes, but software is a product, and something you can absolutely buy once. You typically only get support for a limited time though.
I’m not so sure about all perpetual licenses being scams. I’ve personally used Jetbrain’s perpetual fallback license for the 2018 version of their IDEs for 4+ years until I decided to renew. I never once felt scammed there, so I would say there IS a right way to do perpetual licenses.
“It should be forbidden to pay once and own a thing forever”
Nice try, subscription salesman.
It should be
Strawman argument. I didn’t write it you sneaky b…rd. I wrote marketing perpetual licenses which in most cases do include “perpetual updates”. Still nobody has proved me othetwise by showing EULAs
Multiple people have explained it to you. No one ever made any claims about updates.
why cant people just give up adobe and switch to davinci and affinity
Ecosystems and collaboration. If you’re already using Adobe for X and Y in your teams, it’s cheaper to get a CC license; and as for collaboration Adobe files are proprietary (and tbh so are Affinity files) so it’s harder to transition off of them. You can open .psd files in affinity, but wanting to export one will rasterize your text. And you can’t even export a .ai file, sure you can do pdfs and that preserves vector information and layers, but that’s just friction that businesses wouldn’t want to deal with.
oh that makes sense, VENDOR LOCK IN.
At this point it’s the only assed Adobe has. No one who uses Adobe software actually likes it.
FOSS projects are often worth their salt
True
There has to be a meaningful number of companies where each individually is spending more on adobe licenses than it would cost them to pay a bunch of developers to get gimp to the point where it is a fully sufficient alternative. But hey, the only thing more important to capitalists than making profit seems to be, to not go for cheaper FLOSS options, rather than spending pointlessly large amounts of money on proprietary software…
There is still the perception that it’s too cheap to be good in many cases. I’ve run into this fairly recently. It’s stupid, but it exists, and sometimes it exists in the people making the decisions.
Feels like there’s a very simple solution to that. “We can’t use free software, you get what you pay for. We’re not switching to GIMP.” “Okay, what about Rasteditor? It costs $99/year.” “Sounds good, get a license for everyone on the team.” And Rasteditor is just a fork of GIMP with a different logo and the subscription model just donates to the GIMP project.
A lot of FOSS projects have succeeded in approximately this way. I think it can only be a matter of time until this happens even in this area.
That’s why I’m a little skeptical when buying lifetime licenses.
I love my Plex server and even pay for Plex pass, would love to buy lifetime. But what if two weeks after I buy they just decide this isn’t their business model anymore?
Isn’t Plex FOSS and you only need to pay for the extras? You don’t need PlexPass.
I did buy the lifetime almost 15 years ago. I’m pretty happy with my purchase.
It looks like the media player is open source, but the media server is not.
I also bought the lifetime license a while ago, and am also happy with that purchase.
Ah, I guess that shows my ignorance. Thanks.
Plex is not FOSS. But I am with you. I bought Plex pass about 10 years ago and still use it daily
They cannot change the terms of a license without reserving themselves the right to do so which would be a red flag, this is in reference to future sales of the license for this software.
Literally everyone hates Adobe. At this point I’m shocked there hasn’t been a consortium of companies pushing for alternatives.
It’s not even just about the money. So many companies rely on a workflow and business model that Adobe can change on a whim at literally any time they like.
That’s a level of trust I’m surprised that so many companies and governments are completely fine with.
Crowdstrike. 'Nuff said.
They keep buying up anything that’s an alternative. They need Monopoly sanctions.
I miss PhotoStyler. The first of many Photoshop casualties.
Remember, it’s morally correct to pirate every single adobe product. Same goes for every Nintendo product
It’s also a major pain in the ass to do now. I forget how I did it last time, some fuck Adobe subreddit had a guide for it but it’s so much more than just install and drop lolcrackorvirus.dll into the folder.
Adobe used to house all the licensing mechanisms in a single file named
amtlib.dll. The people who cracked it just nulled out the function. And since it was the same for every piece of software, just repeat the null process for each one. Bam, the entire suite for free.When Adobe switched from CS to CC subscription, it was cracked in 24 hours. Largely because they didn’t change much.
Adobe then axed the crippling DLL file and baked the mechanism right into the executable. A patcher tool was released that could crack each one. The upside is you could install and keep them updated from the CC Desktop and just run the patcher each time. Sometimes you had to wait for an update to the patcher. So before you clicked “update” you had to double check to make sure it worked.
To stop the free trial abuse (which is how people installed anyway) Adobe started requiring billing information during setup before you even get to downloads.
Later on, Adobe prevented users from updating apps if there wasn’t an active subscription.
The patcher eventually stopped working because it was abandoned (this around 2019 when I gave up using it because Resolve and Affinity were more affordable and met my needs.) Months later someone else picked up the patcher development. There’s also pre-cracked versions you can download and install.
I’ve not touched Adobe since and find Resolve to be significantly more stable and at $300, much more affordable. The Affinity Photo and Designer apps are great and affordable too at $170 for the bundle.
Fuckingcapitalists
Commies will never pay for Adobe
YSK: you also don’t own games on steam, it’s all licenses and they can all be revoked.
That is why i archive
piratedDRM-free copies of some games i know i will come back to for Nostalgia in many years.Note that a lot of games on steam don’t have any DRM, either. It’s probable that if you have large library, a lot of your installed games will run without steam, if you go and start them from their exe.
So you can likely archive at least some of your steam games by simply keeping them installed, or even squirreling away the install folder somewhere.
GOG also lets you download the installers for your games so you can play them with or without GOG. A notable part if their service is the games do not have a GOG drm.
Not sure what you mean by with or without GOG, but their whole thing is that none of their games have DRM.
AFAIK, you end up with identical installs even if you use Galaxy to download and install your games, and the installs will continue to work even if you uninstall Galaxy. The actual game files are exactly the same.
I think the installers boil down to convenient self-decompressing archives for getting the game files onto your machine.
If you have the game files for a GOG game installed using any method, those can be moved around, copied, and run with no problem.
The only reason that I still use galaxy to open the games is because it will upload your saves to their cloud.
Heroic can actually do that too, now.
All Steam games have SteamDRM and you cannot run them without Steam or without the license, otherwise you could just buy a game, backup the installed files, refund the game and still have complete access to it.
On the other hand, it’s quite easy to bypass that DRM with a crack.
No they don’t. The dev has to opt to use Valve CEG (custome executabke generation) for that to be included in the game files, and that is entirely optional.
On these games, you can do exactly what you suggest.
There’s another free video editor called shotcut. Give it a try, works great.
There’s also free and open source alternatives.
Weird, just looking at my stats for ‘adobe products pirated’. The line item listed just went from 0/lifetime to ~1 every 3 years.
I wonder if this will affect their profit margin.
Genuine question: Why are Adobe clients not holding pitchforks and standing outside their offices every day for the past 2 years?
I think, because most people who are actually relying on Adobe products (e.g. making money with them) are making way more than it costs (by several orders of magnitude) so they let themselves get slowly boiled because they still make money hand over fist.
Everytime there is a price increase, the discussion becomes: do we retrain x people, costing us y per person and reducing productivity for z months, or do we just take the L and pay a flat percent increase per seat and maintain productivity. The choice is almost always the second one because it’s hard to predict how prices will increase in the future and the costs of retraining your staff.
The people not making money have no resources to stand up to Adobe, so they make noise because it’s all they can do. Adobe ignores them because they don’t generate a significant portion of their revenue.
If you are an employee for a company using Adobe products, it’s likely you don’t even care and you may not even be aware of the pricing scheme your company is following.
