Its name is still not clear. Prior to the event, Musk referred to it as both ‘Cybercab’ and ‘Robotaxi’.
Couldn’t even decide a name and everything is 3d render. Add 3 years at least to the existing estimation. At least they didn’t have a toy rc as a representation, like their announcement of the robot.
Musk said that Cybercab is equipped with Tesla’s AI5 onboard computer and based on a visual check, it appears to only use cameras, like Tesla’s existing vehicles.
Gonna add another 1 year to it. Cybertruck didn’t even have full autopilot yet, and required the car to be babyseated. Steering-less car that only use camera for their autopilot is gonna be a disaster.
Steering-less car that only use camera for their autopilot is gonna be a disaster.
Recently found out about F9, superb content even though i don’t ride motorcycle.
A disaster using camera only for autopilot? Tesla FSD supervised has been successfully operating in consumer vehicles using cameras only for a couple years now. FSD software for the last several months has been performing phenomenally. If you take a ride in one it’s not hard at all to see how it could operate fully autonomously even within the next year.
“successfully”
Last time I drove one and tried it, it tried to ram me into the next lane over on a medium curve. It’s not great.
A disaster using camera only for autopilot?
A disaster for steering-less, unsupervised autopilot car. There’s a difference.
If you take a ride in one it’s not hard at all to see how it could operate fully autonomously even within the next year.
I’ve have faith before when CGP Grey simp so much on Tesla autopilot several years ago, but that faith waned so hard after several mishap and death. Yes, it’s gonna be fully autopilot like before, but it would need to be supervised as always.
In the case of steering-less tesla, there’s no backup driver to prevent this.
Sure, I hear you, you’ve lost faith. Sounds like this happened over years which is understandable given the prolonged timelines and failed promises. What makes you think that the system will always need to be supervised? Any new technology can experience hurdles, but can you elaborate on
several mishap and deaths
? Things may happen once in a while for a completely new technology involving vehicles and driving, but for the long term it is a necessary step to develop something that can save countless more lives. Chances are, you are either currently on, or have tried a drug or medication that has lead to numerous deaths and permanent disability during its workup and development. Did you lose faith in medicine and avoid it, or did you take the drug despite the incredibly rare risk of death?
It seems that your attitude about the current situation was formed years ago. Definitely worth a second look and seeing for yourself, as the supervising driver, if you are not yet aware of the improvement and the current state of the software.
Things may happen once in a while for a completely new technology involving vehicles and driving, but for the long term it is a necessary step to develop something that can save countless more lives.
Do you know how villainous that sounds?
“some of you may die, but it’s a sacrifice i’m willing to make.”
Yeah, you sounds like a villain from VHS copy of Shrek.
What makes you think that the system will always need to be supervised?
What makes you think a system doesn’t need to be supervised? What datacenter doesn’t have people readily available to make change and fix bug? What autonomous factory doesn’t have people readily available to stop the system and jump in to fix fatal error? What autonomous train system doesn’t have failsafe and purposefully build infrastructure to support the automation to be as safe as possible?
What makes you think Tesla done something so good, so brilliant that’s better than those enclosed, sandboxed environment, that it doesn’t need lidar as a failsafe? What gives Tesla special privilege to throw safety out of the window because of Melon Husk’s ego?
If you so desperately trying to save life, here’s some suggestion.
Haha, okay so this is about emotion and your predisposition to hate Elon Musk as well as your fear of new technology.
I guess we are not actually participating in conversation anymore so I will bow out.
Good luck my safety champion. Go drive manual and ensure the world always has a person watching, because people don’t get distracted…right?
Ohh so you can’t even give me a reason why i should trust something without safety rail, only talk about how safe it is right now, supervised, but didn’t elaborate on why steering-less, unsupervised system without redundant safety feature like having a lidar is okay. And i’m the emotional one and not participating. Sure bud.
Go drive manual and ensure the world always has a person watching, because people don’t get distracted…right?
What are you on about? 🤨 You talk about the topic as if everyone driving a Tesla or Melon Husk have the intention to share the technology with every car maker.
It’s interesting to see someone so upset that someone consider safety when driving a 5,000+ lb vehicle.
Usually, people who say “this is about emotion” in a debate or argument are the ones acting fully on their emotions. Oh no, someone is emotional about not wanting to get killed by a tech bro texting or sleeping while their car poorly “drives” them! The horror!
In real people years or “we will be on mars soon” years?
Good question.
The Mars base should be started years ago according to what Musk claimed, and they should have manned flights to Mars by now. And all he has is half failed tests just to do one orbit around earth! 🤣🤣🤣For 8 years he has claimed Fully autonomous driving will be ready next year. He even claimed years ago, that a car picking you up and driving you across the country was something we can do today!
Enron Musk is a conman, he is obviously a liar, and there are people who still believe him?!
But it’s all the government’s fault for having regulations that stop him doing what he wants - he’d be on Mars by now if it wasn’t for the stupid government stopping him from poisoning a protected nature reserve and crashing rockets into people.
Don’t they understand? It’s really important to get people to mars so there is a place for rich assholes to go when the environment on earth is completely trashed beyond repair
Plan B secure survival on another planet.
Why? Because:
Plan A Is to make max profits, and don’t give a shit about the only planet that sustains human life.
In “self-driving by 2016” years
Muskrat years.
Oh. So “unveiling” doesn’t mean they have something. Just the “2 years” promise is repeated for the N’th time ;-)
Normally it’s always promised next year, so a 2 year deadline means the project is in serious trouble.
That’s true, he’s been saying 6 months or a year for Full Self Driving for almost 10 years now.
electric robotaxis can help reduce co2 emissions and decrease the total amount of cars. This is good.
In theory.
It will end up being analogous to Uber and Lyft, and neither helps reducing the amount of cars on the road.
If it works. Don’t Teslas still have problems in his stupidass underground Vegas loop? And that’s pretty much as ideal driving conditions as you can get.
Ironically that’s pretty much the only place where FSD struggles at.
Looks more like the number of cars will stay the same-ish, but now there won’t be a taxi driver making a living of it.
Wrong. The problem right now is low utilisation of cars. Most cars just sit around 90-95% of the day. A robotaxi would have much higher utilisation, therefore fewer cars are needed overall.
A robotaxi would have much higher utilisation
You could call this “hope”.
Or “wet dream”.
Are you familiar with the concept of a taxi? Do you really think a taxi does not make more trips per day than a privately owned car?
I think that this depends heavily on the success of that enterprise.
I am pretty sure that they start (when / if they start) with a very high number of vehicles in a city.
Indeed.
I just doubt his ability to actually bring it to market in any reasonable capacity anytime soon.
I also hope this can be a solution for people who need a car to live while reducing the number of individual cars, but I’m afraid Tesla is not really interested in reducing the number of cars.
Robotaxis are NOT going to reduce the number of cars that are filling up the streets and parking spaces.
They are replacing some of the traditional traffic while they carry passengers, and then they add more traffic when going home (or searching for a parking lot, or doing idle circles) after the ride, and when coming for the next passenger.
Given Tesla’s usual build quality I feel like it’s pretty much inevitable that there are going to be an enormous amount of skull and limb injuries from those gullwing doors.
Coming in 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, oh whatever. In the future Ketamine Karen will introduce a new scam / con / road safety hazard!
No way in hell is this going to be ready in two years.
Although I do like the idea behind the vehicle.
I’m surprised at his numbers. He claims a bus costs something like $1/mile, while his car would be something like $0.20/mile. I’m guessing the main difference is the driver, so I wonder if something like the robovan (looks stupid IMO) would be able to replace buses in many cases. In my area, we have on-demand transit outside of bus service zones (a van will come pick you up), so it would be cool if this type of service could connect individual riders to transit hubs.
But yeah, it’s not going to be ready in two years. Could be cool though if it is and is priced as he stated (big doubt).
It would depend hugely on the bus, and the environment it’s working in, but $1 per mile sounds low, unless that doesn’t count labour.
Buses are actually quite expensive to operate, it’s cost effective because that cost is split between so many passengers.
I assume the figure was amortized across typical passenger loads. So if a bus typically carries 10 people, $10/mile to operate becomes $1/mile/passenger. I think that’s what Musk is quoting here. I don’t know where he gets that figure, but if it’s accurate (big doubt) and if he can beat it (again, big doubt), then that’s absolutely amazing!
I tried looking for figures, but most of the numbers I see are revenue per passenger, not operating cost per passenger. Revenue isn’t particularly interesting because so many transit systems heavily subsidize mass transit.
It will never be $30,000 or less. He did the same thing with the Model 3.
You really just can’t believe anything this guy says regarding his products.
Now now.
You can’t believe anything else he says either.
He said $30,000 for the cybertruck too. $30,000 just seems to be his “I don’t really know the price” price.
How much does a banana cost, $30,000?
Didn’t he say full self drive was two years away at least 5 years ago?
Try 10 years
It was 12 years ago he said he would put a man on mars in 10 years.
- ^^
a > 30000 vehicle that won’m oe available for a decade
I’ve heard this one before… Musk has proven himself an untrustworthy bad faith actor who lies constantly about many things, especially self-driving Teslas.
Now he’s a right-wing loon because he thinks they will let him get away with fraud. He acts like he’s on a speed run to ruin his own credibility.
I can’t wait for another billion dollar company invading our cities with dumbass murder boxes.
“thanks for the honkshack” - Dirty melon husk and the boys
https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/11/24218134/waymo-parking-lot-livestream-honking-4am-san-francisco
Just a reminder that reasonably minded shareholders would never take what Elon says as anything other than fluffery, and should refrain from making any financial decisions based on such fluff.
WTF? How can a CEO walk from responsibility by claiming puffery? Which is the same as admitting to lying!
In civilized countries CEO is a position of responsibility, you can’t just talk up stock or sales with false claims. The requirements for a CEO are higher than usual, exactly because everything they say can have a financial impact.
I’m pretty sure that judgement is not according to normal practices. It’s disgusting they let that pedo walk again and again.Now you know why China DiSsApPeArS so many of them.
Also known as fucking jail.
Well, the stock tanked by ~10% after the news, so yeah, shareholders don’t seem to be buying it and want more specifics.
Johnny cab hopes you enjoyed the ride
At first, i was staunchly against this as i am onboard the Fuck Tesla and Musk train.
However, electric auto-taxis would be great in addition to mass transport.Fuck Musk, btw
They would, but don’t expect it from Tesla. Other companies are making actual, real progress while Musk continues kicking the can down the road with bold promises and no timelines.
Where I live, there is a bus driver shortage leading to cancelled buses and limited service. Cyber cab, van or bus that runs the route outside of peak hours to give 24/7 service and monitor routes would be a big help. And it’s a fixed route so the system can be optimized for those.
Agreed. Although they started the show by showing a slide of how shit subways are… so I don’t think it is in Teslas interest to be an addition to mass transport. And they themselves walk a fine line between selling a consumercar or just reinventing buses
What mass transit program is Musk trying to disrupt now? (As he did California’s high speed rail with the Hyperloop.)
