Yeah, both sides amiright?
I know this is a disgusting thought but, assuming there are ever free elections in the United States again, Gaza won’t be an issue in 2028. Palestine will just be a memory.
It’s already a memory for plenty. All the cool kids are upset over a squirrel killed in New York
The outrage is so selective. Democrats kill peanut, infringing on some guys right to have wild animals but you don’t hear a peep about the GOP sheriff who arrested a lady because her kid walked to the store. She is facing a year in prison.
I hear about that woman getting jail time for that on the regular, I don’t know what you are talking about, I see it one headlines from mainstream sources too.
Also, people can be mad about multiple things at once
I’m not talking about the news, I’m talking about the people who manufacture outrage about peanut being silent about the blatant trampling of this families liberties because it doesn’t advance a narrative that it’s all the democrats fault.
They’ll just move on to Iran
Given that Biden was too much of a coward to enforce any restrictions, nothing will really change.
nothing will really change.
you idiots have doomed gaza.
Because Gaza’s been doing so well right now.
gonna be night and day compared to what bibi and trumpzo the clowno come up with.
60% of the buildings in Gaza have already been destroyed, with Biden’s unconditional support. Stop doing genocide denial and pretending that your preferred psychopaths aren’t bathing themselves in the blood of Palestinian children every night.
sure thing clown
Nothing clownish about me acknowledging the objective reality of an active genocide which you deny being conducted by the “people” you support.
this is the hilarious thing. I don’t support the israelis and have been very critical.
you don’t care, because I’m also a realist, and know that biden bragging about hindering bibi wouldn’t have helped anything.
you don’t really care about gaza, if you did you’d have half a fucking brain. at the end of the day, both sides want to fight for their invisible friends more than they want peace, and it’s fucked, but there’s shit all I can do from here.
I didn’t invade israel kidnap hundreds and murder thousands. I didn’t sell israel twice like the brits.
take your horseshit elsewhere.
Boy those pro-Palestine folks that didn’t vote for Kamala to protest her stance on the genocide sure did own the Democrats. I’m sure they’re super happy about helping get Trump back in office and aren’t at all upset about the leopards gnawing off their entire heads.
I am happy that Democratic voters did not learn that they can support genocide and still win elections.
If you tolerated genocide, you are the kind of voter that allows them to get away with these things. This enabled the current genocide - they expected you to fall in line znd it sounds like you did what you were told. It will also enable the rightward swings the party always wants to take in the interests of capital.
It would be better if you focused on becoming politically informed and worked against these forces rather than giving them legitimacy.
You didnt vote democrat this election you are responsible for never again getting the chance to elect a candidate that will stop Israel or make anything better.
Can we not use Fox News, please? They legally argued in court they are strictly entertainment and no reasonable person would believe them. In other words, they are literal propaganda.
But yeah, I hope the smug voters that sat this election out are happy…
That’s a misrepresentation of what they said. I hate Fox News too, but they argued them being called Fox News doesn’t make them exclusively a news company. Most of what they provide on their TV network is entertainment. Written Fox News is actually not the worst thing ever, though still conservative and far from my preference. I also think they still have an hour dedicated to news on the TV network, which is probably worse than having none because it gives cover for the rest of the garbage.
So, do you think that, in this case, the reporting is inaccurate? Or do you just wish they linked a non-Fox version of the same story?
You should default to assuming anything Fox says is untrue without a second source to verify. Because legally they can just say whatever they want and aren’t beholden to any type of journalistic standards because they aren’t news.
They have no more credibility than a random social media user.
Why are americans so fuckin dumb? Instead of pointing their fingers at millions of trump voters, they are pointing it at people with empathy for having anti-genocider stance.
It feels like they are just interested in finding a scapegoat to blame rather than asking the real questions, why did so many people voted for trump? Did kamala, despite having more funding, failed to convey her plan? What happened and why it happened and how can it be avoided?
They’re angry and looking for an easy scapegoat. Even though it’s obviously the wrong one. We all knew Trump was worse, which is why Mehdi Hasan and many others were pleading with Biden to please change course because he was destroying his re-election by his own hand. Biden overruled his advisors and the state department and pressed forward on an unpopular policy in hopes he could get republicans to vote for him and it failed. He undermined his own foreign policy and ruined his own career.
What restrictions?
Currently, U.S. restrictions include an embargo on a certain weapons shipment and limitations on various combat-related equipment,
Read the article?
Implying that answers any questions?
only the ones that were asked
It really doesn’t. Especially when Biden already saying they aren’t continuing any…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-aid-entering-israel-us-deadline-rcna176737
Thanks, Uncommitted Assholes.
I loved having people arguing with me and saying “At least my conscience is clear.”
How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?
How’s your conscience now??? Still feeling good about your decision?
Yes.
Trump is an irredeemably evil genocidal psychopath who deserves eternal torture in the deepest circle of hell. That fact does not make me wish that I had voted for a different irredeemably evil genocidal psychopath who deserves eternal torture in the deepest circle of hell. The fact that Trump is horrible was never in dispute.
So Harris = Trump? Equal equal?
Oh, I didn’t say that. Not all irredeemably evil genocidal psychopaths who deserve eternal torture in the deepest circle of hell are exactly as bad.
But it means your vote could have helped bring the victory to someone less genocidal.
I know Harris is not a pro-Palestine person, but she’s someone we could have talked to and could have felt the pressure of her voters. At the very least she doesn’t support the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, unlike Trump, who couldn’t give less of a shit about Palestinians and is happy if Israel leveled them down
P.S. I don’t want to make you feel guilty. The political system the US people live in is a shit. I’m just disappointed that maybe she could have had a chance of winning if people didn’t abstain.
she’s someone we could have talked to and could have felt the pressure of her voters.
No, she absolutely isn’t.
Politicians are never more receptive to voters’ concerns than just before an election. Once they have people’s votes, they tend to shift further in the direction of interests groups and the establishment. Like, for example, on the campaign trail, Obama promised to end mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers, but once he was in office, he did the opposite. Harris on the campaign trail, after the widespread campus protests, was the most pro-Palestine she would ever be, which is to say not even the slightest bit and completely unconditionally supportive of material aid to Israel.
It used to be that politicians would promise to do good things on the campaign trail, and then usually not follow through. But now they don’t even have to promise anything, because people will just project whatever views and values they hold onto whichever candidate they like regardless of anything they say or do.
Harris and Biden are unconditionally supportive of everything Israel does. Short of direct involvement of the US military, it’s not really possible for Trump to be meaningfully worse than that.
Okay I understand your point. Unfortunately Palestinians are not the only targeted ones. We have
- LGBTQ people
- Atheists and non-Christians
- Leftists and pro-democracy people. Non-fascists in general
- Scientists
- Ukrainians
- Refugees and immigrants
Harris said and has showed to support them. Trump vowed to destroy all of them.
Hey OP can you list the restrictions currently in place?
They are mentioned in the article, if we can call it that. But no specifics:
Currently, U.S. restrictions include an embargo on a certain weapons shipment and limitations on various combat-related equipment, even if they do not involve explosive ordnance.
What does this entail, nukes?
The 2000 pound bombs are still flowing. I can’t think of a single restriction.
Despite what Biden said, there never were any restrictions. Israel gave basically had a free for all since the beginning. White phosphorus was used right at the beginning and no consequences happened. They bombed hospital and nothing happened. They killed aid workers and nothing happened. Unless trump sends American troops in then nothing changes, Israel is going to do what it was always going to do.
Comments deleted by moderator: who the fuck are we moderating for? This isn’t reddit where we have to mind our Ps and Qs to make a bunch of advertisers happy. Why the fuck are we still moderating like we’re beholden to advertiser-friendliness?
The problem is not military restrictions. Biden did not have any either. The problem is recognition of annexed territories. We see how Israel is clearing out the northern part of Gaza and they are already talking about annexing the West Bank. We are likely to see a lot more violence in the West Bank soon. My guess is parts of Jerusalem and Jericho being in focus.
The problem is recognition of annexed territories.
Don’t look too hard at Harris’s pick for VP if this is the pretext for “we’re not as bad” that you’re clinging to
Yeah didn’t he call for the creation of “greater israel” in the region or something?
Where my “Democrats are evil genocide people” posters now?
Right here. Republicans being worse doesn’t excuse selling weapons for an ongoing genocide. Democrats never should have done that. And it got you nothing. You supported genocide for nothing.
I think a lot of the hostility here is because centrists are mad that trump is going to be able to take credit for the complete implementation of their only policy.
Are you asking if we still think Biden and Harris are complicit in the ongoing genocide? Yeah, yeah we do. Shit is bad right now, long before Trump takes office.
I’m right here. Democrats are still evil for supporting a genocide, and your “lesser of two evils” logic continues to make us more evil.
What do you think of the 30 days the Democrats gave Israel to improve the humanitarian situation by measurable metrics? Israel failed every metric, but the Democratic administration ignores the results and continues to ship weapons to the genocidal regime.
What do you think of the dozens of international doctors who have been to Gaza saying they saw children with single gunshot wounds to the head almost everyday? Reports are widespread that israeli snipers are intentionally killing 100s of children each month.
What do think of Israels recent use of small arms drones? After an American/Israeli bomb destroys a civilian building, a dozen small drones swarm the area. These drones fire small cube-shaped projectiles with the force to pierce skin and break bones, using AI to target any human in the designated area. They are deadly accurate and fast, firing 3 at the head, 3 at the chest, and 3 at the groin. Doctors say these projectiles are especially hard to fish out of the bodies of the child victims as they rarely exit the body, instead they bounce around causing more internal damage.
Suggesting that the people upset about an ongoing genocide are just going to forget about it due to electoral politics is disgusting, and you should feel ashamed.
Hear hear.
People ignore that Biden’s policy was simply indefensible. He fought his own party, he fought his advisors and the media and he STILL lost the election. There’s no longer a need to carry water for him.
Russians don’t need to make them anymore.
Democrats should never have supported genocide. Am I a Russian?
I wonder if any of you are ever going to realize you’re just doing reskinned Protocols of the Elders of Zion antisemitism with this
The Elders Of Zion is a bullshit made up hoax book for propaganda purposes. Unless you’re referencing it as such, it is not a work to be cited in any serious context.
I’m begging you to learn adult level reading comprehension.
Unless you’re referencing it as such
They very obviously are. How could you possibly read their comment otherwise?
the blue maga can’t see anything with their tongue so up dnc cronies.
It still applies? Just because the Republicans are exponentially worse doesn’t mean the democrats weren’t supporting genocide too.
what is that website? new to lemmy.
It’s Hexbear, the instance I have my main account on. It’s an explicitly leftist (anarchist, communist) instance that has a unique history in the lemmyverse as having started and developed for several years on its own. As a consequence it has a completely different vibe from the rest of this place. For one thing its userbase is >60% lgbt+. Check it out!
The Democrats aren’t in power anymore, Palestine is saved! /s
It’s not genocide. Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.
–JD Vance, probably.
Democrats: Vote for us, we care about human rights and will manage out genocide more humanely.
Democrats: Haha! You didn’t vote for us and now the genocide we started will get worse.
Really shows how much the Democrats care about human rights and genocide. I really regret not voting for them now.
How thick are you?
