The only one I trust is Briar.
Not a bad choice. Briar has usability limitations but in terms of democracy it is a powerful tool.
Imo, I think Signal is a good “normie-oriented secure messenger”, but I think Simplex is more worthy of focus.
Agreed. The thing with Signal is that it has a longer history and a lower barrier to entry.
I convinced my non-tech nerd partner to switch to Matrix and it’s been working suprisingly well for us.
Is that (non)-(tech nerd) or (non-tech) (nerd) partner?
she’s not a tech nerd
Aha, thanks, just wondering. English isn’t my first language.
Trust leads to the dark side
Fine, go verify it
Sadly, Im not qualified to do that. It’s still my messenger of choice.
Then not to be aggressive about it, but go get qualified or stop spreading FUD honestly…
Cant server isnt foss they could be doing anything with metadata.
I don’t trust Signal. Haven’t used it since it went down when people and capitol rioters fled WhatsApp and signed up. My understanding is it’s a brittle centralized system just like WhatsApp.
AND back when I did use it, the app had dark patterns that included spamming all your contacts when you set up the app.
Matrix still needs work, but it is the future in this space.
Matrix still needs work, but it is the future in this space.
Matrix can send encrypted events [1.1], but, imo, the Matrix protocol is a firehose of metadata [1.3][1.2]. I’d argue that metadata leakage doesn’t lend itself well to anonymity; if one seeks anonymity, then I think they should seek to reduce their metadata footprint, as, logically, any information is better than no information when trying to identify someone.
References
- “Client-Server API”. “Matrix Specification”. Matrix Foundation. Version: 1.12. Accessed: 2024-12-09T02:21Z. https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api
- §“Sending encrypted attachments” (§10.12.1.7). https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api/#sending-encrypted-attachments.
- §“Extensions to
m.room.message msgtypes
” (§10.12.1.7.1). https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api/#extensions-to-mroommessage-msgtypes. - §“Events” (§10.2.1). https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api/#events-2.
I think that’s fair, maybe I should have said efforts like Matrix.
But I’d also view a singular commercial company’s no-cost product as not being a long term bet on privacy/anonymity.
- “Client-Server API”. “Matrix Specification”. Matrix Foundation. Version: 1.12. Accessed: 2024-12-09T02:21Z. https://spec.matrix.org/v1.12/client-server-api
I don’t trust Signal. Haven’t used it since it went down when people and capitol rioters fled WhatsApp and signed up. My understanding is it’s a brittle centralized system just like WhatsApp.
Imo, there are more components to trust than service reliability (iiuc) — eg: trust in the underlying protocol, trust in the governing body etc.
Yes, I agree.
Signal is encrypted but they still feed meta data to Alphabet boys
Make no mistake that it is part of the us security apparatus.
While for most it really doesn’t matter, take note where we are heading in light of the recent adjustment to a affluent parasites life.
Who do you think the spooks will side during the first corpo war?
We just don’t know but they will know who you keep in touch with…
I’d also recommend taking a look at Threema.
I think their product direction is a bit better. Particularly as Signal still shows a message that they don’t back sync messages before you paired devices “for your security” … Threema also doesn’t back sync messages in their beta multi device setup, but that seems to be more less of a product stance and more of a “we just don’t do it yet.”
Threema is definitely missing some features like emoji reactions, stories, and a builtin cryptocurrency (which depending on your stances might be pros or cons).
Both apps have definitely gotten better over the years; I think Threema’s multi device support has really drained resources on their side so there hasn’t been as much outward feature work. I’m hoping it won’t be terribly long until that changes.
While it isn’t necessarily an argument against Threema’s security, I think it’s important to consider that Threema is owned by a privately held company [1[2]] — Signal is owned by a non profit [3].
References
- “Threema”. Threema GmbH. Accessed: 2024-12-09T02:40Z. https://threema.ch/en/secure-messenger.
- “GmbH”. Wikipedia. Published: 2024-09-27T06:24Z. Accessed: 2024-12-09T02:44Z. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GmbH.
- “Signal Foundation”. Signal Foundation. Accessed: 2024-12-09T02:45Z. https://signalfoundation.org/.
Signal Foundation formed in 2018 to support Signal Messenger which originated in 2012. Through the Foundation, we have been able to support Signal’s growth and ongoing operations as well as investigate the future of private communication.
- “Threema”. Threema GmbH. Accessed: 2024-12-09T02:40Z. https://threema.ch/en/secure-messenger.
Why would they need crypto dawg