cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/40905844
With some prominent Democrats and liberal pundits arguing for the party to try to win Elon Musk back to its side, you have to ask: Is American politics simply a matter of who can best kiss the ass of narcissistic reactionary billionaires?
It’s so embarrassing to watch democrats constantly groveling for money.
It’s telling that the leaked audio of the DNC vice president fracas had the establishment guy (Mike Miquetoast or something) whine to David Hogg that he wanted to get back to the real business of fundraising.
The real hard work done in government. The real actual change in the world. The real benefit to the country at large.
FUNDRAISING
With him leaving the way he did literally nobody in the country likes this man and aiding with him in any way is political suicide.
So you’re saying the Dems are 100% going to try to win him over
They might try to run him for office
Seems Dems just love losing elections.
He’s a fucking Nazi. If you try to woo him, you are too. This isn’t rocket science dem dipshits, you’re supposed to be something beyond a fundraising org.
I UNDERSTAND where the DNC Leadership is Coming from! If they WOO Musk then they Might LOSE the Next Election but STILL be Rich (for the Time Being!)! And if they WOO people like AOC they might WIN MULTIPLE ELECTIONS while being SLIGHTLY less Rich (forever!)!
To bad. Money talks. Huge advantage. Take what we can get. It’s immoral to make terrible strategic choices when the consequences of losing is letting Nazi 2.0 take power.
Just make the deal where he has to fund a small Navy to send aid to Palestine.
Go to bed with a Nazi you wake up a Nazi.
You’re a Nazi regardless if you believe that. But also no doesn’t work like that. That’s a pretty dramatic take. He’s a drugged out idiot. His salute bullshit was trolling at the worst. Let him fund things. You don’t need to invite him into your house for a beer. The actual Nazis are in government right now in key positions hiring strategically. We’re so far up shits Creek. It’s just like any of you fucking people are funding anything on the left.
Hand waving a hand wave… I did Nazi that coming.
Don’t care end of the day. The way you all get wrapped up over shit that doesn’t matter is crazy. The guy is trying to be 4chan irl. You people call everybody Nazis. He’s just a troll. He doesn’t have enough moral conviction to be a Nazi. He’s just a drug addict
Imagine being so stupid you can’t differentiate a nazi from a nazi. Good thing you’re not in politics, champ.
The problem is that if he funds things he’s going to trying to influence things to go to the right. He hates “woke”, believes white genocide is a threat, believes in suppression of free speech, hates regulation, etc…
I don’t think he believes any of those things. He’s a capitalist. He doesn’t care because those are rules. Rules do not apply to the rich like him. They’re just pieces on a game board they move around. He wants attention. Take advantage. Convince him to aid Palestine and they’ll all be eating cyber trucks in a week.
As a believer of white genocide there’s no way we can convince him to aid Palestine. Supporting Ukraine again, maybe.
I think guys like him can be convinced to action with some very petty motivations. But we just need methods to motivate
How about we just tax him instead of acting like quislings?
You’re not giving him anything. He’s paying. How does that make you the quisling. If you’re using WWII knowledge. That was is fillled with examples of strategy over some made up head up our ass moral superiority. Take advantage especially capital in a capitalist world. Especially a capitalist with massive signal boosting capabilities. Tired of fucking losing with you people.
This is the most neolib response I’ve ever read.
The fucking world is burning and I partially blame the left for ineffective and incompetent strategies and ideals. In my life, the left has a decent hold on things. Every year things improved bit by bit. But then the Internet came and it became clearer and clearer things changed. Instead of adsorption adapting the left just lost and continued to lose and never once has been critical of why they have been losing. It’s always how others are just dumb or rich.
So you want to double down on neoliberalism, which is mainly the reason why Dems keep losing? You’re as much as a genius as Musk.
You seem to be mistaking the Democrats for “the left” when they are in fact a party of right-wing moderates.
I’d advise looking up Douglas McCarthy for some historical perspective on why there is no “left wing” in American politics.
You’re not giving him anything. He’s paying. How does that make you the quisling.
Depends, is he going to put out a press release and leverage his “donation” to whitewash his reputation or is it going to be anonymous and with no strings attached?
That’s on us and the Democrats. The Democrats probably will but who cares, they’re fucking garbage anyways. Are you about to suck him off or anyone else? Probably not.
But does he want in and can fund lots of shit. Fuck yea he can. Operation paperclip his ass. Bring him in. Have him donate to Harvard, fund some Mercs to get aid into Palestine. Hell he is a troll, have him buy all the properties around Trump’s properties and build them higher than his. Who fucking cares. Capital is good. Capital does things. We’ve already lost everything. Take the W when we can.
Nah, IMO the Democrats are shitty enough as it is without the world’s richest zit getting involved.
Its bad strategy and the thing that Democrats really need to learn right now: Money doesn’t win elections.
3x+ fundraising for Harris. Loss.
Musk drops millions on judicial race. Loss.
People win elections. You are just wrong about money.
Money doesn’t win elections alone. But it’s like 90% of what it takes to win. A politician spends most of their year canvassing for funds. That is why Washington is majority call centers for these politicians. Look it up. It has the most call centers per capita because they all cold call donors for funding.
The left needs content. Content creators need funding. People don’t win elections. Money wins elections. If money didn’t win elections, the deliverables Democrats would have a higher success rate. The left is circling the drain. It’s not the 1900s anymore. A political group made up of poor angry young people isn’t going to be able to punch as hard against the authoritarian forces that exist today. You can’t just freak out and burn cities. You need subversion and better strategy. It all costs money. The left on all fronts has lost. There’s no coming back especially with the awareness some of them have. They do the same thing every year and act like it’ll work while also crying about how bad it’s become. But it’s never them it’s always the mean rich people. Well maybe being rich has something to do with their success and victories over the past could decades.
let’s work with the Hitler salute guy who explicitly donated a bunch of money to buy access and spent months using that access to cripple the government for decades to come.
So the solution to defeat Nazi 2.0 is to cater to Nazi 2.1?
Yea if they pay up
