• comrade_twisty@feddit.org
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    8 months ago

    I mean we can generally agree that China is worse. That doesn’t mean we should willingly donate our data to the US, but if you have to choose between amputating your foot or your little toe it’s an easy decision.

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      8 months ago

      I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.

      Can we? Which country had open sourced it’s models and weightings so that the LLM can be run locally and spyfree?

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        8 months ago

        I run deepseek locally so obviously I appreciate that they made that decision, but let’s not pretend that something can’t be given away for free with bad intentions. People running LLMs locally are a drop in the bucket compared to people just downloading an app.

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        8 months ago

        France, Mistral. There are also many others in US and worldwide.

        China is worse when comparing many other factors, but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os, then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.

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          8 months ago

          There are also many others in US and worldwide.

          We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.

          China is worse when comparing many other factors

          Again, not an opinion everyone agrees on. And this very much depends on which factors are cherry picked.

          but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os,

          If you want privacy then you need to run locally, and to run locally all you do care about is model weights.

          then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.

          Not sure why this dimension is worth adding to the discussion.

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            8 months ago

            We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.

            Then why are you asking binary questions about countries? Meta released open source models and weights way before DeepSeek, but I guess that wouldn’t fit into your “China is better” narrative so we’ll just pretend Llama never happened.

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            8 months ago

            We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.

            You asked “which countries”.

            not an opinion everyone agrees on.

            Only people who don’t have their heads buried in the sand. You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US. I literally don’t believe you. You’re a bot or a paid actor.