Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.

  • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    7 months ago

    Thats a nice lie that left/center leaning people keep telling themselves.

    The reality is that republicans by far have a higher percentage of gun owners.

    If there were a fight that started today, there would be a sweep.

    Then you have to remember that every force of violence in the US, LEOs, all branches of military, all support trump.

    • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      Then you have to remember that every force of violence in the US, LEOs, all branches of military, all support trump.

      So, what kind of gun can I buy that will let me defend myself from a tyrannical reaper drone?

      Or maybe planning to fight your enemy where he is strongest is fucking dumb?

      • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        7 months ago

        A gun does not defend you from a drone. It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.

        The point later in the comment is about what happens if the government fully turns in the citizens. Protecting yourself is midway to that.

        You basically can’t let it get that far or you’re just cooked.

        • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          7 months ago

          It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.

          No, it doesn’t defend you. At best, it will give you a chance to shoot back. Statistically speaking, the person you are most likely to use a gun on is yourself, second most likely victim of your gun is your spouse.

          • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            7 months ago

            That’s nice, but those statistics are from a different time with a different threat profile.

            We are long done with pretending we’re living in a reasonable society.

            • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              7 months ago

              Actually, about 27,000 people in the US committed suicide by gun last year, compared to 16,000 non-suicide gun deaths, and apparently the gun suicide to gun deaths ratio actually went up from 2023.

              • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                edit-2
                7 months ago

                Did you not at all read my comment?

                I knew the stats before you mentioned them, I’m pointing out there are clear differences to society right now that make this data far less relevant.

                Your actually implies you’re arguing against an argument I’ve made but you aren’t at all.

                • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  7 months ago

                  Ah, so you think (without any evidence) that the trend suddenly and drastically reversed itself in the last 10 months and no one bothered to report on it?

                  • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    ·
                    7 months ago

                    You are seemingly purposefully misconstruing my argument and that is annoying.

                    Clearly the point is a new danger exists, why you keep insisting on the strawman argument against the position that gun stats arent real, something I’ve never indicated, I do not know.

                    I can only think its in bad faith because you don’t have arguments against the actual opinions I’ve shared.

      • Triasha@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        7 months ago

        If the full force of the FBI, military, and local law enforcement turns against the citizenry the citizenry is cooked.

        Hopefully our fellow citizens will balk at killing their neighbors, but if they don’t, shotguns and handguns are only useful to increase the cost of enforcement on the gestapo.

        • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          7 months ago

          They didn’t balk when their neighbors were being rounded up by the new gestapo and shipped off to extra-national slave prison camps.