Man, fuck off with this partisan bullshit

Whew the tankies and astroturfers are out in force in these comments. I think we got the gamut going here:

1. “I don’t vote for genocide”
2. “A vote for 3rd party isn’t a vote for Trump”
3. “If we don’t vote 3rd party nothing will change”
4. “Jill Stein isn’t a Russian asset”
5. “Who cares if Trump wins; they’re both bad / nothing worse will happen l both sides”
6. “I literally don’t understand how Trump can win if I vote 3rd party because I don’t understand the difference between voting for and against a candidate”
7. “Liberals / Democrats / Harris voters are the real fascists”

Solid work astroturfers! Glad to see you’re still trotting out these arguments despite plenty of Lemmy users discrediting each and every one. Really shows grit and dedication.

Also, calling it now that at least one of them replies with something about how they’re true / haven’t been discredited.

Don’t come to Lemmy for math proofs, particularly in a political conversation. What an obtuse statement.

Great deduction skills there.

Sure, you can’t literally steal a vote, but either you’re unfamiliar with American colloquialisms or being deliberately obtuse. It’s a term that describes exactly what you’re doing here - actively trying to convince people to vote against something using deception.

Yes, you’re being deceptive by trying to drive democratic voters to split their vote so the right wins. I have yet to see you make a single good faith argument here.

You need 270 Electoral College votes to prevent the vote going to the states for the Presidency. There are 538 votes available. The only way to have more than two parties compete and have the election not go to the House is if one party is unified and has large public support against the other parties that do not. This essentially creates a single-party state.

Ergo, our system is designed to have two parties, each with roughly half the population behind them. Anything more mathematically ends in a single party state.

What a load of absolute garbage.

Yes, prima facie a vote for Stein is a vote for Stein. Good job moron.

No Trumper/conservative is gonna vote green, so that leaves the pool of Harris voters that Stein is taking from.

Pretty basic understanding here.

If a Stein voter won’t be swayed, then this discourse isn’t for them so why even state it here? If someone is thinking of voting for Stein and can be swayed, let me simply say that if they vote for Stein they will get Trump. Remember, Steiners come from the lefty pool, not the righty pool.

Hope those self-righteous voters spend as much energy in off years protesting and making change locally, otherwise they’re hypocrites.

“Mary hat hey lid tell lam, ids fleas woes white has know”

Nope, you’re right. I did it in my head and forgot to multiply by 100. Good catch!

If so then wouldn’t Green Party leaders be included?

Ah yeah I remember that! I remember everyone talking about the 3% threshold where (if I remember correctly) the green party would be included in debates and receive federal campaign funds. Hell, if they couldn’t do it at the height of Nader always I don’t see that happening now, particularly under Stein.

Wait, the Green Party only had 300k members at it’s peak? That’s 0.001% of the American population. Why are all the tankies in here talking about how voting for Stein will make a difference? That’s not even enough to consider her a contender in most states, much less for the whole country.

Sure, feel free. It’s your vote. Hope you have the same energy to wag your finger at genocide when Republicans kick it into overdrive. Hope your disapproval is strong enough to get you off your couch to do something about it.

So your options are: vote for ultra-genocide, vote for disapproving genocide, or vote for ultra-genocide but you feel good about it. Great options.

World leaders throughout history do that with dictators. Your solution would be to start wars over public insults? Dictators aren’t going to take public insults lightly, particularly those with nuclear capability.

I’d imagine that having no allies in the Middle East isn’t a strategically sound plan. If Israel is going to do their thing anyway and can arm themselves we gain nothing by rebuke. The only way we could enact real change would be to threaten or attack our only ally in the region which is self-defeating and doesn’t solve the problem.

I think it’s a matter of decorum. In general we shouldn’t attack people’s kids (when they’re minors) for normal occurrences, even if their a public figure.

I was against bashing Barron when he was a minor, and I’m against bashing Gus until he’s of legal age. In general, however, I refrain from bashing people and would encourage the same decorum from others.

Being able to criticize is not open license to do so in my opinion.

What propaganda are you talking about? He’s leaving office, so what is left to manipulate here other than his legacy, which doesn’t really impact anyone?

I was surprised at the comment until I saw who made it.

I’m gonna need at least a dozen YouTube videos to really be convinced.