NO FUCKING WORKING CLASS PERSON IS GIVING $5000 TO ANY POLITICAL CAMPAIGN

Dude 5k is absolutely within reach of many working class retirees, especially widows. They do give that much and more. But that’s not the point.

Those old widows aren’t working, and probably never did.

Working class has never meant currently working, or even formerly working. But that’s not the point.

Now they just sit around taking up space, driving up house prices

Is this a “useless eater” argument? A person’s ability is not what gives them the right to not be murdered. But even that is not the point.

Selling out their children’s future to the next dipshit conman that comes along.

Is this defending generational wealth inheritance? Because that’s part of how we got here. At least be consistent. But that is not the point.

People who have 5k to piss away aren’t working for that money

Again many working class retirees have some combination of retirement savings, pension, SSI, SSDI, insurance and LTC vehicles, etc, that can put 5k of liquid assets within reach, even if it costs them dearly. But that’s not the point.

You start from the top down until you get the changes you want.

Only for the true global elite would top-down be a sound strategy, and again the elites won’t be on your list because they give differently. And it’s only sound because it associates wealth itself with risk, directly counteracting their incentive for further oppression/profit. But that’s not the point.

The point: if you murder people for the way they vote, or even threaten to do so, you become a fascist yourself.

This isn’t how we win. Get your ass into therapy before hate consumes you.

Oh that was just for other readers. Of course you and I know it’s from the German teurer bescheuerter Irrtum.

Edit: teuer bescheuert irrtum 🙏 @Mim@lemmy.zip

TBI = severe bump to noggin

You guys did once have a successful working relationship. It’s not entirely out of the question. International coordination will be important by the end, regardless.

That said, Americans appear to already be actively protesting every day in most states. Mostly civil but a few have gotten spicy. I’ve not seen any fire-bombing-the-police levels of spiciness we saw in France, so I guess Americans could step up their game.

But it’s really hard to say because coverage right now is evidently being heavily suppressed across all major news sources and digital platforms. Like a couple times now I’ve seen live streams of big active and loud protests that I can’t find any trace of the following day, even in archives, as if it never happened. I need to learn how to record livestreams if only to remind myself I’m not crazy. I guess we’re all still adapting to the new normal.

the “great American experiment” is over

It’s not over till it’s over, comrade.

I saw this weird behavior called “vice signaling” a few years back and I’ve used the term ever since. It’s the perfect name for their anti-woke anti-anti-fascist demonstrations because “virtue signaling” is what they call acts of basic decency.

For example, Reagan spent additional government funds just to remove the solar panels from the roof of the White House because they were wasteful since solar “didn’t work.” Clearly, the more wasteful choice of removing them was justified. Smh

Nice. Will they put Brawndo ads on the Washington Monument?

I remember this. The petition was more about security assurance than a specific accusation, and the letter from Spoonamore was sus because he is a known attention-seeking alarmist (and sole-proprietor of a cybersecurity consulting company that he pumps a lot).

Spoonamore cried wolf too many times to be taken very seriously, but also his “analysis” is weirdly unspecific just like his deflection in interviews. It honestly felt like those “security alert!” popups from fake antivirus software, if that makes sense, like the point isn’t security just the alert.

Ultimately the gold standard for verification is random sample hand counts, and several rounds of these confirmed software tallies within very small margins. That basically closes the case, because if they “hacked” the hand counts, it would mean the conspiracy went well beyond tampering with voting software.

Uh, 5k? Your biggest hitlist demographic is senile old widows, the trifecta of Trump’s favorite target donor groups.

Killing them would not only be evil, it would only serve Trump. The top donors use super PACs and give way more than 5k, but the list of elites backing Trump and toppling democracies globally requires no doxxing, because they own public companies.

Do not kill working class Republican voters.

But it is absolutely the kind of mistake they would make.

She’s always been such an action hero. Even now as the conservatives are emboldened. Tell me who’s gonna lead the god damn revolution.

I agree, and once would have dismissed the sociopolitical pragmatism described by the commenter above as “lowering our discourse to their level” or something of the sort.

I eventually realized that this instinctive criticism was valid only if they were still growing as people, and capable of more than what they are now. The assumption is that setting higher expectations might convince them to “elevate their discourse” if only to save face.

But what I’ve come to realize is that this was far too much to expect. By all the evidence available to date, these folks never advanced far beyond the emotional maturity of the average middle schooler. At this level of maturity, superficial and public humiliation is quite literally the most serious attack, as it bloodies waters presumed to be infested with sharks.

Yes it’s pathetic, and yes “stooping to their level” feels gross, but Republican voters are only enthused by policies which benefit them directly or hurt others they feel deserve it. Perceived power matters a lot to them, and seems to be attached to explicit expressions of it that are similarly pathetic— as in, truck nuts, “I am very smart,” “I have a great brain and concepts of a plan,” etc.

So public humiliation of trump for an otherwise petty and irrelevant issue (especially by someone he can’t touch without losing a chunk of his base) absolutely succeeds in making him look weak, and making Trump look weak is directly correlated with his voters’ loss of motivation to vote (see RWA personality type/disorder; it’s fascinating).

Enough of these successful offensives will cause his most die-hard voters to lose faith in him (caveat: to seek out somebody stronger) so to de-motivate a current right-wing conservative voter, likely we must accept that petty “mean girl” tactics are the only language they understand, due to their arrested emotional development, and robbing them of their “strongman” is both easy and effective. Ridicule the emperor with no clothes and his voters, who are themselves unclothed, might go home and rethink their fashion statement.

TLDR: It sucks but crass pragmatism may be warranted in this case. The first language of Trump voters is small-mindedness, and it’s often the only one they understand, so we might consider rolling our sleeves up and speaking it if only so future generations don’t have to.

Edit: corrected swype errors.

“But the blue suit is MY BRAND!”

While this is all plausible, may describe your personal experience fully, and may to some extent be true for a subset of the population, it appears that the notion of the baby boomer generation being, or ever having been, more progressive than the generations that followed is unequivocally false, according to any high quality polling data I’ve yet found. If this is something you are reading somewhere, I would be curious to know where so I can discover how they arrive at that conclusion.

I’m certainly not saying there aren’t progressive boomers or conservative younger people. There’s always a spectrum for every group, no matter how you define the cohorts. The baby boomers on the whole just happen to skew more conservative than the younger generations, and it is an especially strong correlation at that.

Edit: yeah this is misinformation

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Wait, are you serious? It would shock the hell out of me, but it would be so encouraging to learn that boomers were changing their minds.

Unless we’re talking about a specific national progressive policy that benefits them directly, like improving social security, or local progressive policies they rely on, like increasing agricultural subsidies, in my life I’ve only ever seen that cohort grow more conservative.

Or are you saying that gen xyz are rapidly becoming more conservative, such that they’ve surpassed the boomers?

I’m not disbelieving you, just trying to make this make sense since it defies the trend. I’ll look for these polls but if there are specific ones you mean, I would be interested to know which.

Update: so far I’m finding the complete opposite to be true (at least from anything close to a reputable source, which doesn’t include opt-in online polls). It appears the generational group often referred to as boomers is now polling more conservative than ever before. Part of this trend might be explained by the fact that we are losing the oldest boomers first, and these were the ones who had the chance to identify with the countercultural movements of the 60s and 70s, whereas most of the younger boomers, who were famously outspoken fans of the Vietnam war and Reagan, are still present.

Fits the gestalt, surprisingly bitchin. I’ll have what she’s having.

He NEVER calls for aid

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Thanks, OP

Did Ned Flanders write this headline? Reword that shit.