More! I need more of this!
all she needs now to be taken seriously is to leave the sold-out Democrat party
How does that help anyone? That would just be performative
The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing. It has all the infrastructure set up already. So let’s take it.
Let’s tea party the Democratic party and force them left, kicking and screaming. Let’s build a large enough faction of actual progressives and leftists that Democrats are forced to come to the table. We flip red seats and take vacant ones. Then we primary incumbent Democrats who don’t get with the game plan
That’s what the whole fighting oligarchy tour is about
The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing.
That’d be nice, but no. The Democratic Party stands for keeping leftists out of power and, if possible, keeping neoliberals in power. It’s a shit platform, but it’s there and it means they’ll fight you tooth and nail (or simply kick you out, as they’re trying to do to David Hogg) if you try to bring even center-left politics to the party.
Oh, I’m certain they’ll fight, but I’m not talking about changing the party. I’m talking about taking their base to take their seats
I’m talking about a hostile takeover, we make a big enough faction and we can take the party, along with the infrastructure and less involved voters
Why do you think they’re trying to kick out Higgs? It’s not because they think he’s more dangerous as an independent
I’m talking about a hostile takeover, we make a big enough faction and we can take the party, along with the infrastructure and less involved voters
That’d be nice, but my point is that the party will fight you tooth and nail if you try to do that, and if you choose to work within the party they’ll have a lot more leverage over you via party bylaws, appeals to party unity, etc, and they’ll use that leverage to, for example, dilute your political program and drive a rift between your base and leadership and between more and less dedicated members of the movement. These aren’t trivial concerns; handled improperly (or maybe even if handled properly) they could very well spell the end of your attempted takeover.
Why do you think they’re trying to kick out Higgs? It’s not because they think he’s more dangerous as an independent
Because he has a high-ranking office within the party and doesn’t have wide national appeal. Also note that Hoggs isn’t a leftist; he’s a liberal who simply wants Democrat gerontocrats gone. He’s running a completely different path from the one we’re talking about here, and still there’s a good chance he gets kicked out and proves my point that the DNC won’t tolerate change from within.
And what is the other option? Start up a third party? We don’t have time for that.
If the stars aligned, best case, it would take a bare minimum of 2 election cycles to get a party established. One to get enough seats to form a voting block and gain legitimacy to the average voter, then another to gain enough seats to be more than a side note
And meanwhile, Democrats will still exist, and since they hate the left more than fascism they’ll still fight tooth and nail.
We don’t have time or other options.
We don’t have time for that.
Why? What’s the deadline? If you mean to stop fascism then either way fascism isn’t going to be stopped at the ballot box; parties and elections are day after stuff.
Carry on AOC, just do not forget about the American people, even the asswipes supporting Krasnov.
She’s always been such an action hero. Even now as the conservatives are emboldened. Tell me who’s gonna lead the god damn revolution.
By the looks of it, her being imprisoned is what might America stand up, or not. Most of Republicans are racist pieces of shit with no moral compass or compassion to the extent that it is guaranteed they all go tell hell if they are Christians for eternity, all to suck an orange mans cock for a few years. Talk about people hurt by being closeted.
Only thing they we’ll make Americans stand up is if they turned off the internet. But then they’d probably just go to tv again.
Arresting AOC would be the biggest mistake the MAGA Nazis could make. It would virtually guarantee that she will be the leader in post-MAGA America.
But it is absolutely the kind of mistake they would make.
Please stay safe, AOC
Homan, when asked about Evers’ guidance outside the White House on Thursday, answered, “Wait ’til you see what’s coming.”
These absolute fucking ghouls. Homan needs to be put against the fucking wall.
Mod here: We’ve received several reports from this comment thread. If I had the power to lock just this thread, I would because I can see how this conversation has some seeds for productive discourse, but that doesn’t seem to be the direction that things are headed toward right now.
I would encourage people to reread what each other has said, and rather than immediately thinking of a rebuttal, read it a second or third time until you can interpret what the other person said a different way than you initially read it.
this conversation has some seeds for productive discourse, but that doesn’t seem to be the direction that things are headed toward right now.
Why is some unproductive discourse a problem? Why is it so severe that a (hypothetical) thread lock is needed?
If a conversation isn’t productive and people are just becoming mean and ugly toward each other, then all we’re left with is people being mean and ugly toward each other. That doesn’t promote community, it creates rage bait. And not that it necessarily means a conversation can’t be productive, I would assume — although maybe incorrectly — that the reason people are on Lemmy is because they’ve seen what happens when rage is monetized on social media platforms, and they came here to get away from that.
all we’re left with is people being mean and ugly toward each other.
Disagree. There would be some people being mean and ugly toward each other, but those subthreads can easily be hidden by the user.
rage is monetized on social media platforms
Yes, we certainly don’t want to encourage rage for attention and clicks. But locking a thread always seemed over-authoritarian to me.
Obviously I’m only talking hypothetically here. I’m trying to understand the logic behind locking threads in general. Nothing against you or regarding this topic in particular.
Context from the article:
The congresswoman — as part of a town hall-style event in New York City — claimed that Homan threatened to refer her to the Justice Department after she gave a “Know Your Rights with ICE” webinar to those concerned about President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.
