Yep. I read the original statement from the original game dev that sued. Their lawsuit was unsuccessful and they decided to refile it as a class action as a result. Which is why in my original comment I said “This BS again”, and “This has been alleged before”.
Still it seems like no other devs are actually alleging this except 1-2 others. Out of thousands of game devs. Seems suspect.
Where did you get this information?
I have never seen and nobody has ever provided that Steam requires price parity for electronic game keys or physical copies that are not steam keys.
As far as I understand it, Steam only requires that you sell your game for the same price on other marketplaces if you’re selling Steam keys. If you’re selling a non-Steam license then you don’t have to match prices at all and can sell for cheaper on Epic, Itch, GoG, etc.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys#3
I also want to point out that I believe if you sell steam keys anywhere else except the steam platform you get to keep 100% of those sales. Steam only takes a 30% cut from steam key sales sold on their own store front.
First filed back in 2024 by Vicki Shotbolt, the lawsuit claims that Valve charges “excessive commission charges” that lead to “an unfair price which is then passed on to consumers”.
These fees are 30% cut of profits per game key sold, not and extra fee on top of that. So selling the steam key costs the same amount and nets about the same profit as selling a PlayStation or Nintendo key.
Literally every other online store (Epic, GOG, Xbox, PlayStation, …) does the exact same thing when it comes to both game keys and DLCs. Seems frivolous on that point at least.
This has been alleged before. And it was a nothing burger then. There’s a whole pictograph floating around comparing the cut that other game sale platforms take and I think only like 2 of them take a smaller than 30% cut.
This compares physical games to electronic keys, and that’s also a nothing burger. The cost will be higher with those on the manufacturing side because of the cost of materials to make the physical copies, the logistics of delivery to retailers, and the cost of manufacturing them.
Steam isn’t a monopoly. You keep using that word but it has a very finite legal definition. That definition provides that through practices of the company that are anti-consumer or anti-competitve, or both, the company retains a significant majority of the market share.
So again I’m not even suggesting that these devs leave steam. But the crux of the matter is that they want to use steam keys on other store fronts etc and don’t want to pay steam 30% for the use of those steam keys. They can use a different store front with a different store front’s game keys and still provide steam keys through steam. They are not required to use steam keys on their own website or other digital store fronts.
You also aren’t required to launch games from or use steam for anything except downloading the game. You can launch them, update them, modify them, etc without even having steam running.
As I said before, DLC being tied to the store front that supplied the key makes sense and is a normal standard business practice.
If what you allege is true then literally no exclusive games on the Epic store could every be made available on steam (after the exclusivity contracted time ends), because I think what you’re trying to suggest is that Steam (through confidential agreement) is forcing these devs to only provide steam keys. Which is a pretty bogus claim.
So sell epic keys or some other store fronts keys and move on with your life? There are other digital store keys they could sell at literally any price they want. And that’s why this is bogus.
They don’t have to sell their game digitally with steam keys. They can create keys on other platforms to sell their game.
I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Market share has nothing to do with this.
This BS again. "In exchange for selling Steam Keys of your game on the internet (using steam as the vendor for your game), you, the developer agree to sell those steam keys at the cheapest price you offer. Steam doesn’t set the price, takes the same cut from each key sold as every other platform including Nintendo, Epic, PS, Xbox, and GOG.
So I am struggling to understand what is anti-competitve about this.
All the games getting cancelled and staff still have to return to office, huh? Sounds like Ubi needs to shed some fucking office space and put out some decent products.
Possibly? I don’t know for sure because I can’t find a store front selling it, but it does appear that these devices are region locked and that there are people in Asian countries sharing ways to end around the region lock.
No. It looks like it has a different name.
To be fair, I believe that’s the “Walmart” one op talks about in the post. I believe they do sell a version of this same set top box in the UK and possibly other parts of Europe. So it may be a viable option still.
I love that every single time I see someone mention the older “steam machines” from way back when they lable them as horrible. I own one. It was amazing. I had to download custom software to overclock it because the software limited me more than the hardware. And it wasn’t even an i7. For the form factor and the price I paid for it, it was totally worth it and not crappy at all.
I’m looking forward to seeing what steams actual hardware will do.
Valve can for the keys that they provide. The keys they provide are free. Their agreement only is valid for Steam Keys. Those are freely generated Steam licenses of the game for the game dev to sell on other store fronts. For which the developer gets 100% of profits.
And steam is not a monopoly. I will not continue to reiterate the legal definition of that.