A conservative plan for Donald Trump’s potential transition into the presidency calls for dozens of prisoners to be executed, according to HuffPost. An 887-page plan by Project 2025, led by the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, says that if elected, Trump should make a concerted effort to execute the remaining 40 prisoners on death row. The section’s author, attorney Gene Hamilton, advised that Trump “do everything possible to obtain finality” on the current list of people until Congress forces them to stop. Hamilton is the vice president of America Legal First, a group of former Trump lawyers bent on attacking “woke” companies, headed by Stephen Miller. Trump’s approach to the death penalty stands in stark contrast to that of President Joe Biden, who has openly opposed the death penalty, but done little to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.
For those of you not in the know Project 2025 is Republicans plan to turn the USA into an authoritarian state.
Aww man… I thought this was about corrupt politicians getting justice.
What’s with the influx of dickhead troll accounts recently?
Some people have absolutely nothing better to do with their time. Just point and laugh, they’ll take the hint eventually when they don’t get the reaction they want.
Considering it’s a brand new account made today, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s someone who already got banned and is trying to evade it.
I’m not a troll… I am, however, open to discourse. Or are people with differing opinions/views just not allowed?
Trump is not capable of justice
Dozens? Surely a lot more than that. He was pretty enthused when it seemed like his political opponents were going to die, last time around; he’s just too timid and thick to be able to make it happen through his own volition. In a next time around I think a lot of the guard rails that stopped it from happening would be removed.
they strayed so far from what conservatism actually is. it’s ridiculous.
From what they claim conservatism actually is.
I thought this too. Current events spurred me to look at history for context. Quoting Ed Abbey; “Neoconservative? Theres nothing new about it, its old as time and evil as hell.”
Conservatism at its core is ‘just’ wanting to keep the status quo. Which itself is imho already pointless, but it’s not too bad.
It however, is not reactionary.
These people are reactionary to the mediaeval extent. But we preach to the choir. Try getting those people who themselves believe in those ideas, that they don’t work…
And not only is it in fact inherently reactionary, but there is a personality type associated with it which is low in tolerance for ambiguity, shockingly low in creativity, and high in reactivity. So basically angry, violent, decorticate monkeys.
(To be “decorticate” is to have had your prefrontal cortex cut out, if you’re wondering.)
Conservatism is a reaction to progress. It’s inherently reactionary.
The status quo when the term was popularized was a hierarchical society of have and have-nots. If we ever develop a truly egalitarian society rest assured, conservatives will be looking to roll back to what they perceive as the “natural” order.
Back to tribalism, essentially.
Oh this is a non-story. Look, if trump gets in, there’ll be plenty of killing. Enough for everyone. He’s got it all figured out.
Trump’s approach to the death penalty stands in stark contrast to that of President Joe Biden, who has openly opposed the death penalty, but done little to move forward legislation to reform or abolish the practice since entering office.
So, it’s saying his words stand in contrast. His actions, on the other hand, seem to say very little.
Perfunctory reminder that presidents are not kings. Congress passes legislation.
Tell that to the Supreme Court.
It’s fun to say. It sounds like it should be a type of hedgehog fart or something. I like complicated words for totally ordinary things.
Good luck getting the American people to grasp the concept.
répété, répété, répété
…you realize that still doesn’t speak well to the Democrats ability to organize and pass legislation? The republicans are the threat that they are because Democrats leave this shit on the table. It’s like abortion; there have been several occasions in 21st century where the Democrats had the legislature and the presidency, yet it still comes down to 9 unelected elders. They even had a month’s forewarning of the Dobbs decision, yet no legislative fix! They didn’t even try!
Wow, you managed to completely ignore mountain of misdeeds by conservatives to then blame dems for what conservatives have done over and over again. Not only that, you’ve conflated the death penalty and abortion along with general shit-talking of democrats, mostly baseless Fox News talking points…
But what really speaks shit about conservatives it how they’re constantly tearing down our democracy and then trying to blame democrats for it— just like you are here. The problem for you is: we’re not as stupid as you think we are.
Are you a bot or just a paid shill?
I’m not saying conservatives are good, I’m saying democrats are not very serious about opposing them.
Are you a child, or have you only recently started paying attention to yankee politics?
Ok bye!
You’re spreading GOP disinformation and talking points, and you’re not fooling anyone.
yankee politics
It’s 2024, not 1864, Lmao
christ it’s like i’m talking to 2016.
is it nice? moving through time without noticing or remembering it’s passing? As static as a simpsons character?
If you don’t like that your bs isn’t tolerated here, leave.
Throwing tantrums won’t change that.
“Dems are bad at protecting abortion because the law on the books was overturned by a corrupt Repub SCOTUS. That’s why we have to deter Dem votes, so we can have an even more corrupt SCOTUS.”
Do you think about what you are typing at all, or is this like a copy/paste from some sort of propaganda and disinformation Discord group?
You seem to misunderstand the Dobbs decision. There was no law in the books, abortion was set by the decision of a previous supreme court ruling, Roe V Wade. Dobbs over-rulled that ruling – if there had been an actual law, passed at any point in time the legislature, there would have been nothing the supreme court could do.
A month before the Dobbs ruling and until the following November, the Democrats had the house, senate, and presidency. If they had passed a law enshrining abortion as a right, then all court rulings would become moot.
And… the supreme court is already a captured body for the republicans. Too late. There is going to be a republican in office either next year or in another four. That’s just how US presidencies go – no party holds the wing for very long. Pearl clutching about the makeup of the court is a little late at this point.
@gregorum@lemm.ee @AppleTea@lemmy.zip
Which equates to 535 kings ruling over 300 million serfs.
Or are they all just sockpuppets for one hidden king?
Smell the democracy!
adjective (of an action or gesture) carried out with a minimum of effort or reflection. “he gave a perfunctory nod”
Neat, haven’t heard that word before
They also plan on killing dozens if he loses. A non-story indeed.
Difference is, they’ll have much more capability if he wins.
They love to appear tough as long as they don’t get their own hands dirty.
So tough until Babbitt gets shot in her stupid neck and bleeds to death like a cow to slaughter. Then, all the cockroaches scatter like the worthless traitors they are.
The first time.
There’s a series of detective novels I’ve been reading for years. Bernie Gunther is a WW1 veteran who joined the Berlin police force in the 1920s, and left when his Jewish boss was fired by the Nazis. Author is Philip Kerr.
In one of the novels, Bernie runs into an old cop pal and they have a drink. The cop tells Bernie that there were about 30 executions in all of Germany the year before the Nazis took over, and there have already been over 200 this year. The cop wonders how far it’s going to go?
I might have to check that series out. Thank you.
It actually reminds me a bit of Babylon Berlin, a German noir show which was based off the Gereon Rath series by Volker Kutscher.
Seen it. I usually hate TV shows with subtitles, but this one kept me going.
I need to watch it again, I think I’d understand it better the second time.
‘Shogun’ has entered the chat…
i kid. Enjoy what you want.
That sounds interesting as fuck, is that Berlin Noir?
Yes. Each book is a stand alone, but they do go in ‘historical’ order.
Slightly off topic. Max Allan Collins Nate Heller books are ‘hard boiled historicals.’ The latest "Too Many Bullets’ covers the Bobby Kennedy assassination.
Are they in English?
Yes, Philip Kerr the author is English.
Looking for that now.
I want to take a break for doom news podcasts
Enjoy
Thank you! You just gave me a whole new series to dive into. Super excited.
enjoy
“dozens” laughable, he will execute all democrats.
No he won’t. C’mon. I hate Trump, but don’t use the same discourse his fan base uses to fan the flames.
Oh, did SCOTUS rule that presidents cannot do whatever they want? Did one of the lower courts hold him accountable for committing insurrection or election fraud?
Wake up, friend.
Oh I’m woken up. I come from Venezuela. Shit is real over there. No mass executions of the opposition in 25 years of authoritarian rule.
The U.S. will not get to that extreme either. And if you think that way, it’s time for you to out the phone away and enjoy outside more often.
He didn’t do that last time so what is this hyperbole for?
He did election fraud and an insurrection last time that he still hasn’t been jailed for, why wouldn’t he escalate? Nine people are currently sitting around deciding if maybe a president should be legally permitted to execute their political opponents. Six of them are corrupt shitheads and three of them were appointed by an insurrectionist.
Last time he had a bunch of “normal” (old style) republicans in his cabinet, and they stopped him from doing a lot of what he wanted to do. And of course the career civil servants in all the government agencies followed the law and that stymied a lot of his and his minions’ schemes–which they learned from. Now they know where the roadblocks to dictatorship are and have had 4 years to come up with plans like project 2025 and others.
Next time, no one will even try to stop him. Everyone in the cabinet and appointed post will be loyal lackeys who will do whatever trump says. Career civil servants who don’t follow illegal or crazy orders will be fired and replaced with those who will. Even the Supreme Court now has the 3 extreme conservatives he appointed along with many many federal/district court judges who were drawn from a list compiled by the same people who authored the project 2025 plans.
The next time ain’t gonna be like last time, folks.
There won’t be “next,” so nice fiction story.
Until November of 2016, most of us didn’t think there would be a first time.
Sure, but the American people wised up. Why do people forget that Trump lost the reelection while being president?
Trump lost, with the second most votes of any presidential candidate ever. More than Obama, more than Hillary. Do not get complacent.
They want blood. No matter the route. If I can ask anything of my fellow liberals is that you arm yourselfs. I’m not saying we take to the streets with weapons. I’m saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
I’m not saying we take to the streets with weapons
Then you’re doing nothing but shilling for the gun lobby, who immediately donate millions to the worst Republicans.
If you’re going to advocate guns, you should be willing to tell people what to use them for.
I mean that’s a pretty stupid thing to say considering everyone knows you’ll get your comment removed and probably also your account banned for explaining what should actually be done, what should actually be being done, right now. Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen, but by then they’ll have pulled the plug on the internet anyway…
Maybe eventually everyone will get mad enough that mods will stop standing in the way of what needs to happen
It’s a federated platform, if you feel like the mods are standing in the way then leave to another instance.
What a joke you are. Are we actually supposed to pretend your guns are more than cosplay props when you’re not even willing to risk being banned from anonymous social media to advocate your cause?
Well I’m not scared of being banned, so take your guns and your pro-gun astroturfing and fuck off.
Sorry, best we can do is pearl-clutching ourselves into banning everything.
Really… we’re doing this stupid chit again?
This is actually the incarnation of “Defending the Free State” IMO. To be clear, the right to bear arms does not mean you get to attack and overthrow the government, but to defend yourself (along with other states) against any state trying to impose tyranny. The federalist papers posited this (no they’re not law, and they certainly have other issues) and IMO it makes sense, even if it is a view shaped in a time that no longer exists.
He won’t win.
There will be insanity if he’s allowed to run at all.
There should be no way for people to participate in a democracy they have attempted to overthrow, and these fuckers are absolutely going to try again. It will be a shitshow. I hope the US justice system comes through, but it will be a very dangerous time for America if Trump and his cronies are not prosecuted for their crimes before the next election.
I have some bad news.
Word? Do tell, what will happen if you don’t get your way? Make sure it’s actual information, per rule #4, misinformation is a bannable offense.
Even if Trump gets prosecuted for 1/6 before the election, there is ZERO chance it’s completed before the election. There will be appeals carrying it on for YEARS.
That being said too, there’s nothing in the charges that would disqualify him on conviction. There SHOULD BE, but there isn’t.
Ideally I’d like to see Congress get their shit together and get a Constitutional amendment that says “Convicted felons are inelligible”.
That would solve the problem right there. Convict him in the Stormy Daniels case, problem solved.
No, I don’t think it would be good to strip felons of their ability to be president. People who protest too hard can get felonies. People who steal too many diapers and infant formula for their kids ($2k worth, which is lower threshold every year due to inflation) can get felonies. The felony system is deeply corrupt. We should restore felon’s right to vote.
We need to fix the issues that elect someone deeply unpopular like Trump in the first place - like gerrymandering and uneven delegates. A vote should just be a vote. We should have approval voting (similar to ranked choice). More fascism isn’t the answer.
A highly public series of rapid-fire executions gives Trump some very immediate media “wins”.
And when you review the list of death row inmates its easy to see how conservatives can twist any objection to execution as endorsement of police slayings, carjackings, kidnappings, and child murder.
Right-wing news will have a field day announcing “Daniel Troya, the man who murdered an entire family in cold blood JUST GOT HIS DAY OF JUSTICE!” with swooping infographics and blaring trumpets. Drag on some Project Veritas stooge with B-roll footage of a crying pink haired college kid and topping it off with “WOKE LIBERALS ARE SO OWNED!” and you’ll have a fascist feeding frenzy.
I’m saying we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
Real Helms Deep Hours.
execute death row inmates
= arm yourselves!
Americans are so silly, you’ll never outgun the US military
You ever heard of guerilla tactics? An authoritarian army doesn’t need to be out gunned to have a really bad time
You ever heard of guerilla tactics?
The country of Vietnam lost millions of its people to push out some 50-60k US soldiers. Quite a few of them died in hideous fashion. Burned alive by napalm. Poisoned by nerve gas. Tied up and thrown in a ditch, then buried alive. Tortured in prison camps for weeks, before succumbing.
We’re seeing the same shit play out in Palestine, under the Israeli occupation. Nightmarish brutality inflicted on insurgents, on neighborhoods where those insurgents lived, on friends and family with even the most tangential relationship to the insurgency. On people a thousand miles away who show the most pacifist support for human rights.
Can a guerrilla war win? Sure. Over 15-30 years, a persistent armed resistance can potentially overcome the cost-constrained and geographically removed military occupation. Will you live to see the end? Ho Chi Min didn’t. Sitting Bull didn’t. Che Guevera didn’t.
Arguing for terrorism, while noble, doesn’t correlate with “buy some guns and sit around”
The idea of tactics also requires related knowledge and planning that you don’t learn from buying guns
we should all be prepared for the absolute insanity that may ensue if he actually wins
We should also all be prepared for the absolute insanity that will ensue if he loses. I fear we will have a more violent insurrection this time around and maybe even local violence in some areas.
There will be no local violence. His supporters are riding rascals through Walmart, the few that could participate will turn and run when shit gets real
Nah, without control of the levers of government they’re just terrorists. Don’t forget that the government was well warned about Jan 6, and Trump’s team actively suppressed preparation and response. It’s not going to be the same if Biden is in office.
When the nazis came to power, they forcibly took away the guns of their victims. They’d send a squad of SS to your house, surround it, and force you to give up the gun. If you didn’t, they’d kill you, if you did, they still got you in the end.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
Part of the reason the Nazis didnt face too much resistance is because a possible major for of resistance got purged before their rise. The Spartacists got purged pretty thoroughly by the Freikorps who also used it as an excuse to purge other similar groups.
Also guns would be one of many different tools in such a resistance scenario, alongside things like car bombs and just stabbing people. Its just convenient to have a long range weapon that requires little training, mind you stealing a gun or manufacturing one would also be viable i guess.
The first thing the nazis did, was purge the bureaucracy. Taking away guns was no concern, at all.
Privately owned guns played no significant role in the nazis’ rise to or hold on power. Anything else is simply marketing by american gun sellers.
Some of their victims hid, refused to give up their arms, and fought back. They didn’t survive.
About 10-15,000 jewish germans survived the holocaust by going underground in Germany. They were colloquially called U-Boote or Illegale. Of course, that has nothing to do with guns. Guns were, after all, handed out to any able-bodied male.
If guns were the answer to dealing with fascism and authoritarianism, germany never would have had the holocaust.
That is only partly true. Germans are only a small fraction of holocaust victims (<5%). The victims overwhelmingly came from eastern Europe, particularly Poland and the Soviet Union. The holocaust happened in the wake of the advancing Wehrmacht. A more far-sighted response to german war preparations would have made a difference. A lesson one must bear in mind in today’s world.
Yeah, it’s a fucking joke to assume that guns are a hedge against fascism. They’ll take your guns or shoot you. Maybe there’s some protection in being an organised group in the moment, but if they want to get you they’ll get you.
Ruby ridge.
Whilst members of the Weaver family were illegally killed by the government at Ruby Ridge, what’s less known is that Randy Weaver was hanging out with people from the Aryan Nation movement, and a believer in the Posse Comitatus theory of law.
It was White Nationalists that later erased these facts to promote the Weaver’s story as they (rightly) believed it would inspire others into their life style.
Timothy McVeigh cited the story as one of the reasons for his bombing of a federal government building and its daycare centre.
Oh I certainly wasn’t defending him or the white supremacist community he was a part of.
I was also tempted to mention Wako and the Davidians.
My point was, no matter how many guns you have, the machine will always win in a gun fight.
They are even sicker than most people imagine.
Perhaps they should get a taste of their own shit this time
Let’s be real, they START by executing prisoners Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.
The first thing Nazis did was make other political parties illegal. That and they came for trans people
Let’s be real, they START by executing prisoners Pretty soon anything but their political party & their religion is made illegal so anyone daring to say otherwise gets arrested / imprisoned / executed.
I mean they openly spoke about this on CPAC. Project 2025 sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it’s not a theory, it’s right out there in the open.
This is why it’s especially irritating when the bothsiderists go on with the #BidenSoOld stuff, or the tankies go on with the #GenocideJoe thing, or the handwringing over whether journalists should side with democracy and so on.
This stuff is right out in the open. Do bothsiderists, tankies or journalists think they’ll be safe under this kind of thing?
Yeah I definitely get that. I also get why people don’t like Biden. He really oughtn’t be president, neither of them ought be candidates, but when the option is between him and Trump, going with Biden is a no-brainer. Trump is literally working to dismantle democracy. He doesn’t want people to have a choice, and the choice that you Americans face is laughable as it is.
Remember this when certain bad actors post their propaganda here about how bad Biden will be for a second term. Remind them of this when they post that bullshit.
Call them out.
And vote for your lives.
Jesus: don’t abort those fetuses because life begins at conception.
Also Jesus: fuck these adults, let them fry.
Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.
I grew up JW, and all the scriptures used to fight against abortion are in the first half of the Bible, before Jesus is involved. To quote a certain former Trump staffer…
Jesus ain’t say that.
Jesus is an extension of the Christian God so their god says it all.
Most Christian denominations do believe that to some extent, though some (including my example) view them as strictly different beings, with only 1 true God. They view Jesus as next in the hierarchy but still below capital G God, and view the Holy Spirit as just a tool, like say The Force.
I guess there’s no point arguing for any logic in their religion when they just make it whatever they want lol. But strictly speaking, their god is also Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Kind of what the holy trinity is all about.
You frame it as a contradiction, but this is very nakedly the nature of a patriarchal theocracy.
There’s no real conflict between the view of a dictatorial Israeli King as someone who treats woman as chattel and endorses state execution of prisoners. This is all over the old testament and common enough in the New Testament Letters from Paul not to be remarkable.
Very cool and consistent, a serious political party here.
They’re deadly serious. It’s the 1980s all over again, folks.
