What shithead?
I’ll assume Nuralink, or more specifically, Musk?
Instead of hating, why not try to see it from Nolans perspective? (Nolan was the 1st to get the implant.
He literally said he “was a waste” before his implant, and also stated he “has purpose again”.
It’s incredibly easy to be against this, when you have never had to experience being unable to use your body. Imagine being unable to move for 8 years. I’ll say that again; Eight years. A company offers an experimental implant so you can use a computer again. Who in their right mind would not accept that offer?
But because you do not like Musk, these people should just be happy with their current circumstance, just so you can be happy Musk cant move forward with these technology?
You hate Musk so much you would rather these people getting the implants simply don’t, and continue living as they are.
Yes, Musk is awful. Staff at nuralink are not, Nolan is not. You and Musk are.
When someone claims they want to improve your quality of life, you need to consider the source, especially when it’s Elon Musk. And especially when he wants to screw with your BRAIN.
Your faith in the benevolence of billionaires is adorable but history has shown us that for the most part, billionaires are vain, greedy, brutal sociopaths. Especially Musk, who is an apartheid-loving fascist.
not an elon cuck, @FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca is just pointing out that the TEST SUBJECT HIMSELF has had only good things to say about this implant. i hate ketamine boy as much as you do, but it isnt like musky balls is building these himself, there are real professional engineers doing this, so it working should not be attributed to musk. he came up with the name and the vague idea, thats it.
EDIT: nvm.
In an interview with the Journal, Neuralink’s first patient, 29-year-old Noland Arbaugh, opened up about the roller-coaster experience. “I was on such a high and then to be brought down that low. It was very, very hard,” Arbaugh said. “I cried.” He initially asked if Neuralink would perform another surgery to fix or replace the implant, but the company declined, telling him it wanted to wait for more information.
fuck the neuralink people. all their test subjects are disposable to them, i guess.
Considering this is pretty much ground-breaking work involving brain surgery, I think it’s prudent for Neuralink to wait to see what happens instead of immediately performing another surgery. If I were in charge I’d definitely take things slowly and surely instead of trying to move fast and possibly break things.
Out of curiosity, what do you think about the fact that they knew from animal testing that the retraction issue existed, but they installed it into a human anyway?
Looks like we got someone who enjoys others suffering.
What an awful takeaway.
In a real conversation would you have said that?
Imagine hating someone so much that when their money vastly improves a victims QOL in a way you don’t like, that you would rather have people like Nolan remain as they were.
I’d rather be an Elon cuck and enjoy others happiness with them, then be like you and Musk.
In an interview with the Journal, Neuralink’s first patient, 29-year-old Noland Arbaugh, opened up about the roller-coaster experience. “I was on such a high and then to be brought down that low. It was very, very hard,” Arbaugh said. “I cried.” He initially asked if Neuralink would perform another surgery to fix or replace the implant, but the company declined, telling him it wanted to wait for more information.
Oh yeah, words of happiness right here! So much QOL, I’m glad you enjoy this.
Do you understand what an experimental operation is?
Nolan took the risk, and it paid off at first, being the first subject there is alot of unknowns.
Turns out scar issue in the brain is an issue.
So back to your quote.
They did decline to replace/fix thr impant currently. If you read the rest of your quote it states they are waiting for more information.
Yes it’s sad Nolan is loosing functionality of his device, but his risk and now loss will only help the next on the list to have a functional device for longer.
I do enjoy this, Nolans efforts and sacrifice will make the world a better place for others like Nolan. What is wrong with that? Why should nolans experience be something we should not celebrate? He does, why cant we join him?
Maybe one day you will be in the same situation as Nolan, but because of Nolans direct contribution you won’t have to suffer the same fate. Why are you so selfish?
Nolan has not stated he regreted this. So should Nolan just not have suffered a spinal cord injury? He could have avoided this if he remained able body. I wonder what was worse. The impant failing, or being paralyzed for life.
That’s just not how medical research works. Modern medicine isn’t built on trying unproven technology on desperate people and using their bodies as a fast track stairway to success. Medical experiments have to ensure human dignity and that doesn’t include “he was desperate enough to say yes” as a rationale.
your an idiot. "His"tech has not helped anyone. why? cause he can’t deliver on his product, hence why he should not be allowed to experiment on people that have it hard already.
How am I an idiot when your stating neuralink did not deliver a product?
They did. And it was successful.
Also who are you to say what people can and cannot do? What gives you that right? It’s not your brain so your opinions are irrelevant, and change nothing.
I have seen every interview Nolan had over the implant and he only had glowing things to say, and stated multiple times he wanted Nuralink to work faster.
No, he is no longer a waste, even as his implant fails, humans, as a hole have learnt so much from Nolan. Hopefully patient 2 will have longer functionality with their device. He was the first human to get a complex microchip that can send and receive signals. Compared to any other brain interface, what Nuralink did was unlike anything that has been done before.
While I do not want to defend Musk, I will defend Nuralink and Nolan.
Nolan has had no negative experience from this, yet people like you for some reason just can’t let people live their lives and enjoy it. Nolan has been happy to be alive for the first time in 8 years, yet because someone who not even Nolan met first hand, is the CEO. Like seriously, fuck off.
So you can claim he was abused, and will belive he was, without any source?
How can you have an extraordinary claim and refuse to provide evidence, then you claim it’s up to the other party to show evidence they did not do what you claimed they were doing?
What logic is that? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent?
Based on your argument I’ll assume your a MAGA kinda person.
And of course, then your arguments turns into "well he doesn’t regret it…yet.
You want to have an actual discussion or remain in your land of what’s it’s and excuses?
Well you brought up abuse allegations against Nolan, so yes, it does infact does matter if Nolan is an employee or not.
Again, innocent until proven guilty.
You do not accuse without evidence and demand the other party defends their innocents.
And yes, in this case though not directly I am defending Musk. I’m defending Nolan, and the scientists at Nerualink who made this happen.
So iv accused you of being a Maga person.
You are a Maga person. I do not have any evidence, but until you show me evidence that shows you are not a MAGA person, you are.
Well you brought up abuse allegations against Nolan, so yes, it does infact does matter if Nolan is an employee or not.
So abuse against Nolan would be less worse if he wasn’t an employee? Is your name perhaps Patrick Bateman?
You do not accuse without evidence
We have hundreds of years’ worth of evidence demonstrating capitalist parasites acting like capitalist parasites - if you need more, you should apply for a position at FOX news. They always have a need for extra bootlickers.
I’m defending Nolan
No, you’re hiding behind him.
You are a Maga person.
Again… if I was sympathetic to fascists or the capitalist parasites fascists serve I’d be defending Musk - you know… like you’re doing?
but until you show me evidence that shows you are not a MAGA person,
And again… if I was sympathetic to fascists or the capitalist parasites fascists serve I’d be defending Musk - you know… like you’re doing?
Yes, good point. These people are desperate, so we should let a wildly irresponsible company, who during animal testing had identified the thread retraction issue and not fixed it, we should let them experiment on desperate humans because fuck them I guess.
Yeah the guy was able to do something cool for a while, but now he’s quickly getting back to where he was and with bonus bits of metal all over his brain and no way to fix the problem.
I don’t know if that’s a trade he or anyone would have made going in.
They need to stop messing around with this Musk “fail fast” approach, that’s not acceptable in medicine. You can’t speed up your research by endangering the most desperate people in society.
I’m not defending Musk, only pointing out your contradictions:
Hey, do you use shampoo,conditioner, sunscreen,toothpaste or any acne creams?
Guess what? They were all tested on animals before humans. Animal testing is a essential part of developing new stuff. Now Nuralink definitely could have done better and be less cruel, I will not defend those actions. But the sacrifice of those animals will not be in vein.
Also, Nuralink isn’t the only company that tests on animals. As of this year in North America alone, there are attest 268 companies that use animals.
Im really struggling to find thr right way to say this good enough, but ill try:
There is alot more to think then just billionaire’s and their victims.
First, Nolan has been a quadriplegic for 8 years. Keep that in mind. It is important.
So 8 years, unable to move, you see a company that believes they can install a device in your brain that will let you use a mouse on a computer with your thoughts.
For being unable to move, and for 8 years. Would you say no to that? That’s the closest thing you have to your own movment again.
I know another billionaire who is destroying the planet, but I don’t hear people talk trash about his companies, even though they just as bad reports, yet we all love our Amazon prime right?
Look, at this point it’s just an agree to disagree thing. You think it’s ok for companies to do irreversible operations as long as subjects are desperate enough to consent. Others think that’s abusive. There’s obviously no changing your mind. That’s ok, just move on.
And no. If you’ve spent any amount of time here then you know that a ton of people here are also against bezos and pretty much every other billionaires out there.
No one has an issue with the notion of creating a technology that allows paralyzed people to control a computer with their mind.
Where people have an issue is that Musk was told multiple times by multiple people that an implant likely will never be 100% feasible because the brain moves around in the skull, making keeping a connection tricky at best and likely impossible. (hence why the threads have retracted)
He’s been told on multiple occasions that a non-invasive tech that is both more reliable and less risky is actually FAR more feasible. But his ego and his hard-on for being “edgy” basically makes him want to do things as “sci fi” as possible because a node that sticks to the side of your head isn’t as cool as an implant (to him).
Nolan would be just as happy. Just as capable. and just as helpful to the research with something less intrusive, but then Musk wouldn’t think of himself as cool.
tl;dr - No one has a problem with the concept. But the invasive way it’s being implemented is 100% because of Musk’s ego driven self-delusion of himself.
Holy fuck you are daft. Yeah sure anyone can find purpose with relative ease when they have full functionality of their body.
My boy Nolan is a quadriplegic. He has been for 8 years
Due to the spasms he was unable to use conventional tools quadriplegic people use.
Regardless of who owns the company, he,
he himself, Nolan the individual (not you, not me, not anyone else) Nolan volunteered his person for an experimental implant to regain some form of control over his person. The operation was successful, Nolan was happy, he regained a part of himself after 8 years.
My point is you are taking your hatred for Musk in a way that is only hurting others. What you are doing right now means nothing to Musk. You are only spreading hate, and brining everyone else down with you, expect for the person your hating on.
There are existing technologies that allow quadriplegics to use computers… that don’t involve brain chips. It’s sad that the only way he had access to such technology was by being a human test subject.
Did you miss my comment where I said the conventional ones didn’t work?
Also who are to make that call, like seriously, why should Nolan have just continued without the impant? Who cares if you don’t want it. Nolan did, he got it. End of that discussion.
Now, if these other devices were that capable, people would not be signing up for an experimental implant for the same function.
Trying to compare neuralink to anything on the market that does remotely the same thing would be like comparing a comador 64 to a modern high end gaming PC. Sure you can compare the 2 but, the modern one has more features, more power, faster, does more, ect, ect.
Tldr; not your body, not your choice.
Edit: I forgot, it’s sad he had to be a test subject??? How the fuck do you do that without having to test it??? Please explain the logic.
What shithead? I’ll assume Nuralink, or more specifically, Musk?
Instead of hating, why not try to see it from Nolans perspective? (Nolan was the 1st to get the implant.
He literally said he “was a waste” before his implant, and also stated he “has purpose again”.
It’s incredibly easy to be against this, when you have never had to experience being unable to use your body. Imagine being unable to move for 8 years. I’ll say that again; Eight years. A company offers an experimental implant so you can use a computer again. Who in their right mind would not accept that offer?
But because you do not like Musk, these people should just be happy with their current circumstance, just so you can be happy Musk cant move forward with these technology?
You hate Musk so much you would rather these people getting the implants simply don’t, and continue living as they are.
Yes, Musk is awful. Staff at nuralink are not, Nolan is not. You and Musk are.
When someone claims they want to improve your quality of life, you need to consider the source, especially when it’s Elon Musk. And especially when he wants to screw with your BRAIN.
Your faith in the benevolence of billionaires is adorable but history has shown us that for the most part, billionaires are vain, greedy, brutal sociopaths. Especially Musk, who is an apartheid-loving fascist.
When did I say I have faith in Musk? A company is different from an individual.
Why are you telling me where my faith lies? Your narrow minded view on subjects far greater then a single individual is adorable.
Looks like we got an Elon Cuck
not an elon cuck, @FonsNihilo@lemmy.ca is just pointing out that the TEST SUBJECT HIMSELF has had only good things to say about this implant. i hate ketamine boy as much as you do, but it isnt like musky balls is building these himself, there are real professional engineers doing this, so it working should not be attributed to musk. he came up with the name and the vague idea, thats it.
EDIT: nvm.
fuck the neuralink people. all their test subjects are disposable to them, i guess.
Huh, the unethical company that installed known-bad tech into a human is acting unethically. Interesting.
His family should sue them for fraud and whatever crime is to knowingly injure someone with subpar products.
Considering this is pretty much ground-breaking work involving brain surgery, I think it’s prudent for Neuralink to wait to see what happens instead of immediately performing another surgery. If I were in charge I’d definitely take things slowly and surely instead of trying to move fast and possibly break things.
Out of curiosity, what do you think about the fact that they knew from animal testing that the retraction issue existed, but they installed it into a human anyway?
*break people
Looks like we got someone who enjoys others suffering.
What an awful takeaway.
In a real conversation would you have said that? Imagine hating someone so much that when their money vastly improves a victims QOL in a way you don’t like, that you would rather have people like Nolan remain as they were.
I’d rather be an Elon cuck and enjoy others happiness with them, then be like you and Musk.
Oh yeah, words of happiness right here! So much QOL, I’m glad you enjoy this.
Do you understand what an experimental operation is?
Nolan took the risk, and it paid off at first, being the first subject there is alot of unknowns. Turns out scar issue in the brain is an issue.
So back to your quote. They did decline to replace/fix thr impant currently. If you read the rest of your quote it states they are waiting for more information.
Yes it’s sad Nolan is loosing functionality of his device, but his risk and now loss will only help the next on the list to have a functional device for longer.
I do enjoy this, Nolans efforts and sacrifice will make the world a better place for others like Nolan. What is wrong with that? Why should nolans experience be something we should not celebrate? He does, why cant we join him? Maybe one day you will be in the same situation as Nolan, but because of Nolans direct contribution you won’t have to suffer the same fate. Why are you so selfish?
Nolan has not stated he regreted this. So should Nolan just not have suffered a spinal cord injury? He could have avoided this if he remained able body. I wonder what was worse. The impant failing, or being paralyzed for life.
That’s just not how medical research works. Modern medicine isn’t built on trying unproven technology on desperate people and using their bodies as a fast track stairway to success. Medical experiments have to ensure human dignity and that doesn’t include “he was desperate enough to say yes” as a rationale.
How much does Elon pay you to be his cuck?
You think about Elon, cucks, and cock alot.
If you won’t talk about the topic, I’d ask you stop sexualizing Musk and myself, that’s weird.
your an idiot. "His"tech has not helped anyone. why? cause he can’t deliver on his product, hence why he should not be allowed to experiment on people that have it hard already.
How am I an idiot when your stating neuralink did not deliver a product?
They did. And it was successful.
Also who are you to say what people can and cannot do? What gives you that right? It’s not your brain so your opinions are irrelevant, and change nothing.
No it was not successful. They literally announced last week it failed. You need to read more.
And now he’s not a “waste” anymore, right?
He’s now a piece of meat to be used and abused for the egotistical whims of one of the world’s most notorious capitalist parasites.
He was abused? That is a very bold claim.
Can I get a valid source on this?
I have seen every interview Nolan had over the implant and he only had glowing things to say, and stated multiple times he wanted Nuralink to work faster.
No, he is no longer a waste, even as his implant fails, humans, as a hole have learnt so much from Nolan. Hopefully patient 2 will have longer functionality with their device. He was the first human to get a complex microchip that can send and receive signals. Compared to any other brain interface, what Nuralink did was unlike anything that has been done before.
While I do not want to defend Musk, I will defend Nuralink and Nolan.
Nolan has had no negative experience from this, yet people like you for some reason just can’t let people live their lives and enjoy it. Nolan has been happy to be alive for the first time in 8 years, yet because someone who not even Nolan met first hand, is the CEO. Like seriously, fuck off.
Have you seen how Musk treats his employees? And the test subjects Tesla calls “customers”?
No… I’m going to need proof that he wasn’t abused - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, after all.
…which you won’t be doing without defending Musk.
FTFY.
Based on your argument I’ll assume your a MAGA kinda person.
And of course, then your arguments turns into "well he doesn’t regret it…yet.
You want to have an actual discussion or remain in your land of what’s it’s and excuses?
That actually matters to you?
If you have proof that he wasn’t I’m all ears.
If I was sympathetic to fascists or the capitalist parasites fascists serve I’d be defending Musk - you know… like you’re doing?
Well you brought up abuse allegations against Nolan, so yes, it does infact does matter if Nolan is an employee or not.
Again, innocent until proven guilty. You do not accuse without evidence and demand the other party defends their innocents.
And yes, in this case though not directly I am defending Musk. I’m defending Nolan, and the scientists at Nerualink who made this happen.
So iv accused you of being a Maga person. You are a Maga person. I do not have any evidence, but until you show me evidence that shows you are not a MAGA person, you are.
Edit: spelling.
So abuse against Nolan would be less worse if he wasn’t an employee? Is your name perhaps Patrick Bateman?
We have hundreds of years’ worth of evidence demonstrating capitalist parasites acting like capitalist parasites - if you need more, you should apply for a position at FOX news. They always have a need for extra bootlickers.
No, you’re hiding behind him.
Again… if I was sympathetic to fascists or the capitalist parasites fascists serve I’d be defending Musk - you know… like you’re doing?
And again… if I was sympathetic to fascists or the capitalist parasites fascists serve I’d be defending Musk - you know… like you’re doing?
Yes, good point. These people are desperate, so we should let a wildly irresponsible company, who during animal testing had identified the thread retraction issue and not fixed it, we should let them experiment on desperate humans because fuck them I guess.
Yeah the guy was able to do something cool for a while, but now he’s quickly getting back to where he was and with bonus bits of metal all over his brain and no way to fix the problem.
I don’t know if that’s a trade he or anyone would have made going in.
They need to stop messing around with this Musk “fail fast” approach, that’s not acceptable in medicine. You can’t speed up your research by endangering the most desperate people in society.
I’m not defending Musk, only pointing out your contradictions:
Hey, do you use shampoo,conditioner, sunscreen,toothpaste or any acne creams? Guess what? They were all tested on animals before humans. Animal testing is a essential part of developing new stuff. Now Nuralink definitely could have done better and be less cruel, I will not defend those actions. But the sacrifice of those animals will not be in vein.
Also, Nuralink isn’t the only company that tests on animals. As of this year in North America alone, there are attest 268 companies that use animals.
They tested on animals, identifying the retraction issue… Then did nothing and installed it into a human anyway.
In your example it’d be shampoo that chemically burns pig scalps that is pushed to market for humans anyway.
Stop being an apologist and think about what it means to have billionaires treating desperate people as guinea pigs for invasive technology testing.
How am I being an apologists?
Im really struggling to find thr right way to say this good enough, but ill try:
There is alot more to think then just billionaire’s and their victims. First, Nolan has been a quadriplegic for 8 years. Keep that in mind. It is important.
So 8 years, unable to move, you see a company that believes they can install a device in your brain that will let you use a mouse on a computer with your thoughts.
For being unable to move, and for 8 years. Would you say no to that? That’s the closest thing you have to your own movment again.
I know another billionaire who is destroying the planet, but I don’t hear people talk trash about his companies, even though they just as bad reports, yet we all love our Amazon prime right?
Look, at this point it’s just an agree to disagree thing. You think it’s ok for companies to do irreversible operations as long as subjects are desperate enough to consent. Others think that’s abusive. There’s obviously no changing your mind. That’s ok, just move on.
And no. If you’ve spent any amount of time here then you know that a ton of people here are also against bezos and pretty much every other billionaires out there.
No one has an issue with the notion of creating a technology that allows paralyzed people to control a computer with their mind.
Where people have an issue is that Musk was told multiple times by multiple people that an implant likely will never be 100% feasible because the brain moves around in the skull, making keeping a connection tricky at best and likely impossible. (hence why the threads have retracted)
He’s been told on multiple occasions that a non-invasive tech that is both more reliable and less risky is actually FAR more feasible. But his ego and his hard-on for being “edgy” basically makes him want to do things as “sci fi” as possible because a node that sticks to the side of your head isn’t as cool as an implant (to him).
Nolan would be just as happy. Just as capable. and just as helpful to the research with something less intrusive, but then Musk wouldn’t think of himself as cool.
tl;dr - No one has a problem with the concept. But the invasive way it’s being implemented is 100% because of Musk’s ego driven self-delusion of himself.
People can find purpose by joining a cult lmao what’s your point
Holy fuck you are daft. Yeah sure anyone can find purpose with relative ease when they have full functionality of their body.
My boy Nolan is a quadriplegic. He has been for 8 years
Due to the spasms he was unable to use conventional tools quadriplegic people use.
Regardless of who owns the company, he, he himself, Nolan the individual (not you, not me, not anyone else) Nolan volunteered his person for an experimental implant to regain some form of control over his person. The operation was successful, Nolan was happy, he regained a part of himself after 8 years.
My point is you are taking your hatred for Musk in a way that is only hurting others. What you are doing right now means nothing to Musk. You are only spreading hate, and brining everyone else down with you, expect for the person your hating on.
There are existing technologies that allow quadriplegics to use computers… that don’t involve brain chips. It’s sad that the only way he had access to such technology was by being a human test subject.
Did you miss my comment where I said the conventional ones didn’t work?
Also who are to make that call, like seriously, why should Nolan have just continued without the impant? Who cares if you don’t want it. Nolan did, he got it. End of that discussion.
Now, if these other devices were that capable, people would not be signing up for an experimental implant for the same function.
Trying to compare neuralink to anything on the market that does remotely the same thing would be like comparing a comador 64 to a modern high end gaming PC. Sure you can compare the 2 but, the modern one has more features, more power, faster, does more, ect, ect.
Tldr; not your body, not your choice.
Edit: I forgot, it’s sad he had to be a test subject??? How the fuck do you do that without having to test it??? Please explain the logic.