Legislation just signed into law has made it exceedingly to difficult to track private jet activity.
This is going to help bring down everyday prices, stop Genocide and will ensure another Epstein type billionaire who privately flies people to his pedophile island will receive swift Justice!
Bipartisan support for this bill but remember to vote blue no matter who 🤡
The other fella literally did an insurrection against the country and stole boxes of classified documents.
You don’t vote FOR people, you vote AGAINST people. That’s how America is set up.
So it’s more like “vote against red or your gay friends are dead”
Remember to vote for the option that doesn’t lead to fascism*
It’s a big club, and we ain’t in it.
I’ve never wanted to be in that club. In fact, I think I’m happier because I’m not.
That works for them.
For now. But my club has more members, and they are getting very, very angry.
laughs in oligarch
I’m glad for people like you, because I’ve spent a good chunk of my life desperately wishing to be in that club, and then another chunk being sad that I wouldn’t be able to be. I was miserable and latched onto something that I believed would alleviate it, but I nowadays definitely think I’m happier not being in that club.
I’ve never really wanted to be in the private jet billionare club but I have always wanted to be in the “have a nice paid off house and enough money to safely start a small business” club. Sure, being a billionare would get me that but what would I do with the other 99.999% of the money?
I think I mostly just wanted to be in the "so rich I never have to think about money again. Growing up super poor left its marks on me and now even though I am relatively secure and comfortable, I still have a background anxiety about whether I’ll have enough.
There’s an instinct within me that screams that I shouldn’t share resources with other people unless I’m sure I have more than enough for myself. If I indulged that instinct, that would mean that in a situation where there’s enough for everyone, I’d feel most comfortable with 3 or more shares, because then even if I gave away one of my shares to someone else, I’d still have what I need, plus some buffer. There’s a reason I work very hard to not indulge that instinct though, because I don’t want to hoard at the expense of other people like me.
Like I say, it’s just part of a wish of not having to think about money at all. I had some very rich friends in uni, and sometimes they’d shop in places where the clothes didn’t have price tags, the kinds of places where if you had to ask, you couldn’t afford it. I envied the fact that they didn’t have to think about money more than I did the material luxuries they could afford
Tracking of any wealthy person by terrorists could become a huge potential problem.
For who?
Tracking of a normal person by their stalker, preditor, or attacker, is just a normal problem?
You misspelled solution.
Good?
As opposed to terrorist tracking regular citizens, like when they showered an outdoor Las Vegas show with bullets?
As much as I say fuck the billionaires, they have actually already had methods of doing this for about 50 years. Only the dumb billionaires who registered the planes in their name were annoyed about the rules. They could have always registered it under a trust, like almost every other rich person private jet out there. People can still figure out the plane tail registration and track you through that, and that will never change. So the billionaires that are happy about this regulation change still have their tail numbers known by the public to be associated with them and can still be tracked. Now they just have to change their tail numbers (giant pain) and wait for people to do slightly more difficult digging to figure out what plane is theirs.
Yeah well figuring out who owns what jet will bearginally harder. Like with metadata if you have a few data points it will be easy to figure out who owns what plane. And it is not like these people don’t travel much so the data points will Stack up fast.
Unfortunately, this will also make aviation safety analysis more difficult for us.
The plane crash we don’t hear about is one we don’t worry about. Good news for the aviation industry.
So congress does actually work?
Of course they do, just not for you
I would bet that every single person commenting here thinks of him- or herself as being deeply invested in privacy, ranting against things like ad tracking, etc. But as soon as someone (or some ones) you don’t like, or have no affinity with, wants to have the same privacy afforded to every single person who drives a car, all bets are off.
Or are you suggesting that people (including the police!) should be allowed to have real time, constant information about where you drive to every day?
Just because it’s a plane, and just because it’s a rich person, doesn’t make it any less of a privacy violation.
I think most people on Lemmy would agree that private planes simply shouldn’t exist, at least on a personal use level. I don’t actually care at all where these rich bozos are going, but the ability to shame them for their method of travel outweighs any potential privacy concern. Airports are public places, airplanes (were) a matter of public record. If they truly want privacy, they should find an alternative means of conveyance. If they absolutely need to travel incognito, they could just charter a plane, for Pete’s sake.
Aren’t all commercial planes currently tracked and have their data open to the public? Why should anyone be exempt except for military?
This is actually a really good point and I’m not sure why you’re being down voted for it. I hadn’t thought about it that way
It’s a giga-stupid post, barely worth refuting, but private jets are not cars.
You can track every flight I’ve ever been on, if you know the flight number, or plane ID. Now billionaires have their own special carve out.
Because it’s a false equivalence. Why should they be above the law? Cars and planes are not the same thing in the slightest.
I think people are more upset about the fact that basic laws protecting the privacy of millions are not even discussed but when a few billionaires cry that they can be tracked a law is enacted swift-ly (hehe) and public data that the government collects is no longer public.
Maybe they should focus on the greater good.
And while your privacy argument could be a good point, a plane has no privacy and just like other registers the public had a legitimate interest to know.
Sorry, but once you’re so filthy rich you can own and operate a private jet, you lose the right two things:
- My sympathy
- The right to not be eaten
So “privacy for me but not for thee”? Despite your feelings about the individuals involved (which are fair enough) you do see that’s exactly as bad as the “laws for thee but not for me” that we rail against? Balancing these rules is one of those thorny problems we have to address if we ever want things to get better for the majority, but just saying “you’re filthy rich so you don’t get privacy” isn’t the way. Neither is saying that they can hide completely.
Won’t someone think of the billionaires?!
Nevermind the billionaires, they’re just being used as scapegoats to distract you. You don’t beat an unfair and unjust system by creating a new unfair and unjust system, so the rules need to apply to everyone, no matter how annoying that feels, otherwise, you may find yourself or someone you care about in the out group and suffering because of it.
If we want privacy, everyone gets the same right. If we want free speech, everyone gets free speech (that’s the one that I find hardest to reconcile. If we want people to be able to protest or raise issues freely does that alao mean we must grant the same to those who spew hate and seek to twist the minds of others? How do we balance that?).
I don’t know what the ‘perfect’ system looks like, or even if there is such a thing. What we have now isn’t it, but saying ‘that group over there should have less rights than me’ isn’t the way either.
You are whining about double standards in a thread about a federal law specifically to protect billionaires’ feelings.
I hope I’m not whining. I am saying we should apply the same rules to, and ensure the same rights for, everybody though; not doing so is a large part of how we got here in the first place.
You or I can travel anonymously, or at least without our movements being tracked by the public. If we want to deny that to certain people, or to certain modes of transport, we should have a clear reason why and ensure that it’s effects are balanced with it’s benefits. As I mentioned in one of my comments above, if we want to hold people accountable when they use certain types of transport, that’s fine, and if removing their anonymity is the way we want to do it, that’s fine too, but we should apply it all the way down, from planes to cars.
They have the same protection as everyone else all the way up to chartering a flight. They lose privacy for the privilege of owning an entire jet. We also lose privacy for owning certain things, like home ownership is all public record.
But they are sad that their small-scale climate disaster flights are recorded, so they get their own law.
If I ever ger a private jet they can track me as much as they want
Would you be ok with people tracking you in your car, or on public transport? At what level does that change for you? Is it just planes that should be publicly trackable, or boats too? What about limousines or jyst big cars?
Don’t get me wrong, I think people using any of those methods should be held accountable for the harm they’re causing, but that should apply all the way down too if that’s what we’re doing. Car drivers already pay tax on fuel and to register their vehicle so you could argue they’re already accountable, but I’m not sure that’s quite enough when you consider the harm tailpipe emissions do.
Private jets and boats and everything above sounds fine for me
Large cars too? We’re starting to get into rather dystopian territory here. I don’t drive a large car, but I know I wouldn’t like to be tracked just because someone decided I was.
I’m not actually averse to saying the loss of anonymity is the penalty for using particularly polluting modes of transport, but we should frame the rules in those terms, rather than just making ownership records public.
If I meant cars too I would have mentioned cars, please don’t start making up strawman arguments.
They do have the same privacy afforded to every single person who drives a car. Maybe they should stay in the car, then?
there is nothing from us keeping a database and tracking cars like this, It is just not required by law to do this with active updates. I mean with all the cameras in cars (and I am sure their are insurance companies that are looking into putting more AI cameras in cars to track not only your driving [progressive did a massive push on this already] but also those around you) you can just machine learn those plates and pool them in a public area where we can all pull and push info about these drivers. The airways we can still do this with, and we will, they will anon the info, but I am sure it will be an easy thing to overcome.
Nothing is anonymized for me, wanna know my house address, just look up the name on the internet, it will give you an idea and then just call the local county clerk, they will hand over any details about properties owned by me in that area. Its a matter of public record. My car has an ID on it that is required by law to be shown and not hidden until asked for by the government. Hell all your siblings and children, they are a matter of public record, so I can find out a LOT about you, just by knowing small info about you. (try it, look up an old partner on a search engine, they will give you known addresses for like 20 years.)
So please dont make this about, they wanna just be as private as you are. I dont have shell companies to hide all my properties onto. I dont get laws that state I can randomize my lic plate on my car. And also least we forget, the police can already have access to your cars real time data, the car companies are selling that info, so is your phone provider.
does this actually anonymize it or just give the jet a tracking number?
You will still be able to track jets by their transponder. Planes are required to broadcast their location at all times.
What has changed is if there is a name attached to that transponder. This lets the owners of private planes can now have the FFA remove their name from the public record.
FFA - Future Farmers of America.
That is what I get for having an ag background and then switching to planes.
Neo feudalism just checked another box against democracy.
I hope this does not negatively impact the spotter community and ADS-B feeds.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Celebrities and billionaires have long complained that it’s just way too easy for random people on the internet to monitor how much fuel exhaust they waste as they flit through the skies via their private jets.
An amendment in the Federal Aviation Administration re-authorization bill that was passed last week will allow private aircraft owners to anonymize their registration information.
Jet tracking has been made possible up until this point because private plane owners were forced to register aircraft ownership information with the FAA civil registry.
The Warzone originally reported that the new FAA reauthorization bill, which was introduced last June, will effectively make it impossible (or, at the very least, very, very hard) to track the jet activity of the well-to-do.
That’s a bummer, since in an age of environmental concerns, it’s been helpful to know which members of America’s gilded class are spewing jet fuel into the atmosphere.
Elon Musk famously threatened to sue Jack Sweeney, an undergraduate at the University of Florida, after the student made a Twitter account that tracked the billionaire’s private jet activity, ElonJet, in 2020.
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bill that was passed last week will allow private aircraft owners to anonymize their registration information
Private planes fly anonymously? Even if order and justice was restored to the world, we couldn’t find the next Epstein’s island.
And how will this affect drug trafficking? If you can’t trace private planes, it becomes the Wild West.
Oh, the anonymity only counts for the public. The alphabet soup guys will know.
investigative reporting should exist
Bezos owns the Washington Post
none of the media news outlets are owned by middle class or lower class.
You don’t know? Rich people is above suspect and law
Even if order and justice was restored to the world, we couldn’t find the next Epstein’s island.
Which is probably the whole idea.
And how will this affect drug trafficking?
Those planes will still be registered to the CIA
It’s about Swift and not one of the richest people in the world who lives in the kleptocracy that passed this legislation and historically has made a big fuss over this issue?
As with the ticketmaster story, if you put Taylor Swift’s picture on the headline it gets more clicks.
It’s just that simple.
I blind clicked hoping that wasn’t the answer
Not that you are wrong, but I think we should keep using Taylor Swift as the face of this because:
- She is the worst offender in this case, even if not the only.
- She is on the “left” (what passes for left in the us, a leftist billionare is obviously a contradiction). So this is a clear signal from us that this is not about us vs them. This is an issue even when done by someone on our “side” (like Taylor Swift is in our side lol, but for MAGAs and similar extremists she is).
- At the end of the day, any meassure stoping Taylor Swift from contaminating with her stupid jet will also help us stop all the other assholes.
- We don’t owe shit to Taylor Swift or any other celebrity, fuck her. We can talk after she stops being a deca millionare, in the mean time fuck her lol.
So get mad at her, use her bad image in this issue to push for change, and seriously, fuck her almost as hard as any other rich assholes. The fact that she is sligthly better than people pushing for a return to feudalism doesn’t make her a good person lol.
He is also in the article, yes.
