Too little too late, I’m not getting any more versions of windows.
How do you “fix” the security issues of a program that is literally designed to spy on you?
I’ve just switched to Linux Mint and I’m not ever coming back. That’s how I “fixed it.”
I maintain one baremetal Windows install that gets fairly regular use. It’s on a business class workstation with a legit Windows 10 pro license.
Recently, I had to wipe and reset and goddamn do they try and trick you into choosing all the worst spyware settings AND even if you successfully duck and weave past them, they’ll just cheat and enable them, or reinstall shit like co-pilot during an update.
They just made me sign into that shitty M365 app to install legit subscription Office, and on the next reboot, it converted my local user account into an online user account.
Make no mistake, Recall is going to be enabled by hook, or by crook, for the vast majority of Windows 11 users in due time. No matter how times they disable it, or opt out.
Yup. We’re back to the old days where Microsoft didn’t give a damn and enabled things by default.
It’ll take less than a decade before they get sued, yet again. By then, the penalty will be <5% of what they’ve made, but the merry go round will circle back and start all over.
“we will change nothing but announce it like we did”
Too late Microsoft, I jumped into the Linux pool and the water is fine.
Exactly. Running fedora desktop and I am thinking why the move does.not do more poeple. The only Microsoft junk I am using is the corporation laptop and that I am sure wont get this function.
Windows 10 will be the last I work on. I work in tech and won’t accept 11 as a work environment either.
I’ve been researching wine and proton for Linux. Fuck windows! The only reason I still use it is for gaming but if wine works as advertised I’ll be switching to Linux.
Add Lutris to that list. If anything doesn’t work in WINE, try installing via Lutris. My AxeFX’s GUI now works flawlessly thanks to an older version of WINE running in Lutris.
As someone who made the leap, I haven’t booted Windows in months. Proton, Steam, and Lutris cover basically everything I play.
We’re you already familiar with Linux or follow a guide? Lot of products I’m not familiar with there.
& Microsoft is sooo soft-in-the-head as to believe that we ought trust them, after this,
& the previous fiasco,
& the one before that,
& https://search.theregister.com/?q=microsoft+security+privacy&site=
( you may need to go through a few hundred pages there, to see it all )
This is their DNA: it isn’t going to change, now.
As a reminder this was the go-to play for Facebook when they were caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Default it off until nobody’s looking and change it slightly so it was named ‘differently’ and on it went again.
My 10 year prediction - Microsoft does a full transition to a services company:
- Basic Windows is free, even for OEMs
- Windows Professional becomes a subscription thing, maybe you get it as part of your Azure AD sub
- Things like Recall or not having ads are extra subscriptions
There were already rumors halfway between 10 and the release of 11 that they wanted to do it that way, making 10 the last “standalone” release version
It feels like these huge ass companies are just testing people’s reactions before they do something these days.
So it will use AI to auto detect penises to prevent embarrassing video recordings.
Time to get a wiggly, wobbly dick cursors.
opt-in until next update when it will be enabled “magically”
I mean even if it is not mandatory but automatically enabled once, odds are %80 of the users won’t even bother turning it off so win for windows in any case
Let me tell exactly what will happen.
- Step 1 - It’s opt-in. Everyone chill
- Step 2 - It’s opt-in but the opt-in button is advertised during startup
- Step 3 - “opting in in crucial for your safety and comfort” advertised everytime during startup
- Step 4 - it’s opt-out now but it can be turned off in settings
- Step 5 - it’s opt-out but the off button is hidden below 3 layers
- Step 6 - the opt-out button is gone but can be turned off with a registry edit
- Step 7 - sorry, it’s a core component of W11
We are currently at Step 1
This comment is taken from another lemmy post but I forgot the username. Apologies.
If you don’t opt in you will miss essential security updates and you will become a terrorist
security issues as in its very existence?
We have seen this game 100 times. Opt in for now and then turned on for everyone 6-12 months later. It’s just a temporary move to handle the bad PR.
You forgot the best part
Silently turned on via “security” update
It’s a security update because it adds new security vulnerabilities.
Same as it ever was
Or the other trick of constantly prompting “Turn on / Maybe Later” until people either accidentally accept or just give up to make nagging stop.
That guy at the club who won’t fuck off
registry switch that’ll mysteriously reset itself. we’ve had this shit with countless windows configurations at work that our IT guy has to battle with on the regular.
I’ve had so many people jump down my throat for listing some of the many obviously fucked things Microsoft did on my PC just over the life of Windows 10. (And not that it should matter, but I even paid for Pro).
I turned all their various advertising and spying “features” off through legitimate settings, group policies, whatever, and the list of things that reverted themselves over time was insane.
User: Goes through 15 step process to turn off unwanted “feature”.
Windows: I turned this on, in case it got turned off accidentally. I’ll do this every reboot.
And not that it should matter, but I even paid for Pro
It should matter though. If MS wants to give away Windows for free, then users should expect compromised privacy. But it’s not. They charge hundreds for it.
If Windows made a paid version that was private and secure, and that the user was in control of, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
If they were giving away Windows for free, their behavior would still be unforgivable.
There is no scenario where any operating system including spyware or ads can ever theoretically be acceptable behavior. Any person who contributes in any way to that happening belongs in a prison cell.
Well that’s the only way a “free” product is sustainable.
Linux is free qnd plenty sustainable.
If you can’t support providing something for free via a mechanism that isn’t pure and unadulterated evil, then don’t do it for free. “We have to be monsters to make money” is not a valid position.
Linux is free qnd plenty sustainable.
It also has a vast array of enormous compromises, which is why no one uses it.
Can anyone give me examples of times Windows has done this in the past? I mean, I feel like this is true, but I legit can’t think of anything that matches this.
In the last 6 months:
- One Drive reinstalled and turned back on on my personal & work computer multiple times.
- AI Co-pilot added to my machine and enabled “so you can start using it now!” with an obtrusive pinned shortcut on my start bar, to both of the same machines but at different time intervals. Uninstalling is virtually impossible and requires registry mods to 'remove" it. Not even a powers he’ll command can remove it.
I don’t want, or need, this add-on garbage.
Yeah dude, there’s nothing they can do to fix this. They have eroded the trust of their users for decades. It will take them decades to get it back, if they actually tried.
Also it took hackers days to find vulnerabilities. Which is a massive security concern.
