• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Don’t you love it when the conservatives blame the Dems for what the conservatives are doing themselves? It’s like narcissism’s victim-blaming 101: shifting accountability, gaslighting, and projection.

    Projection is all they do.

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      Don’t you love it when the conservatives blame the Dems for what the conservatives are doing themselves?

      And then the Dems agree that Something Must Be Done, so you get the next iteration of the Mulford Act and a SWAT Team kicking down the door of the Socialist Rifle Association.

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      Pretty sure that’s literally one of Eco’s 14 characteristics of fascism. Publicly accusing the opposition of doing the exact (awful) thing they’re doing.

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      If I’m not mistaken, it was a US Libertarian who attempted the assassination. It’s analytically pointless to group them in with the Republicans, even if they’re both horrible. Infighting is serious business.

      But yes, they’re still going to blame the Dems anyway lol.

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        Source he was a libertarian?

        US libertarians are republicans’ worst governing qualities on steroids, but they’re essentially republicans here despite the naming difference.

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          I’m going to redact my claim until I find evidence, because I may have just misinterpreted a flag they had up. Outlets are reporting the were a registered Republican.

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    Right wing conservative on right wing affluent conservative violence needs to stop!! Something good almost happened for the poors

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    Yea it totally wasn’t Republicans who have alluded to killing their opposition on multiple occasions. Totally not their fault that people have been more polarized, especially maga chuds, into committing violence.

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    Democrats in Hollywood, DC and mainstream media has made the claims that Trump will destroy democracy. He will be a dictator. He’s a fascist. He’s going to kill anyone and everyone who opposes him… the left wholeheartedly created this environment. I’m not even surprised. Just look at the Lemmy posts about Trump. It’s a no brainer.

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      You don’t get ride in on your high horse. This is the sentiment around Trump because of Trump. You don’t get to run your campaign like half the country is the enemy and be surprised when the political temperature rises.

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            Pretty sure mental health is more of a concern. Gun control doesn’t deter violent criminals. And especially now? In this environment? Good luck with that. I sure as fk wouldn’t listen to the government if it told me that my tool for self defense is now illegal. They can eat cow dung.

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              So you somehow seem to be very willing to shoot people at the same time that you’re trying to blame other people for people getting shot. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

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                There’s a difference between law abiding citizens and criminals.

                However, no American should obey an unconstitutional law.

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      And which of those things is untrue? The Republicans have openly said that they don’t want a democracy (Also, we already don’t really have one.). Trump has tried to stay in power beyond his term. He is a fascist. He probably won’t kill anyone who opposes him but only because he won’t live long enough (he’s old) to eliminate the government red tape to do it.

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      While there’s some element of truth to what you’ve said- the DNC is using the “End of Democracy” meme as one of their primary themes in their campaign messaging- I don’t think that had anything to do with this shooting.

      Statistically speaking the vast majority of domestic terrorism comes from far-right extremists. We don’t know the motivations behind the shooter at this point in time, but the consensus seems to be so far that he was conservative.

      I think it’s much more likely he was radicalized online and either

      a) wanted to kill Trump to further polarize the political tension in an accelerationist sense (sort of like how far-right organizations were shooting both protestors & police during Euromaidan. Just to increase the outrage, the violence, etc).

      Basically an attempt to weaken the regime

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      b) he became a white supremacist and those tend to hate Trump. Go on stormfront forums and see what they say about Trump. They think he’s a jewlover, fake messiah, etc. They hate Jews, Trump loves jews. Therefore, Trump is a potential target.

      Or

      c) was just nutty plain and simple. Ie killing Trump would unite him with some cartoon character from Nickelodean in the afterlife.

      All of those are vastly more likely than someone being radicalized by DNC messaging, I believe.

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      Democrats in Hollywood, DC and mainstream media has made the claims that Trump will destroy democracy.

      Trump has also been making this claim, explicitly calling for State Secretaries to tamper with election results and state legislators to send up faithless EC delegates.

      He will be a dictator. He’s a fascist. He’s going to kill anyone and everyone who opposes him…

      My man has compared himself to Mussolini and called for the arrest/killing of political dissidents on a regular basis.

      Just look at the Lemmy posts about Trump.

      Are you suggesting that the guy who shot Trump was reading too many posts on a Reddit knock-off, rather than spending all his time down the YouTube gun nut rabbit hole?

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      Trump openly said he’d be a dictator and talked about locking up his political opponents, it’s not like anyone is putting words in his mouth. He IS a fascist piece of shit, and I don’t understand how an assassination attempt now makes him any less of a fascist piece of shit.

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    As an aside, I’ve always found it hilarious when a Faux News host says ‘the media’, as if they’re not one of the biggest media outlets in the world. It’s an amazing disassociation and it seems to land somehow. The television screen tells you "the media doesn’t want you to know the truth!", o fanged poet.

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      Weird how the largest broadcaster is somehow telling everyone secret knowledge that is often like an out of context publicly available clip or note

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    Well of course they are. Anybody with half a brand new they were going to do that the second that the news came out about the assassination. I sure did.

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    It’s actually kinda funny watching them flail around blaming nothing and everything because one of their own tried to shoot Trump. They were NOT prepared to deal with this situation at all.

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        We may never be able to put him on so narrow a box, but he was registered, a gun nut, and he didn’t donate to Dems - that was just someone with the same name in the same state.

        That’s not confirmation, but thus far there isn’t any reason to believe otherwise.

        But also he was 20. It’s likely he didn’t have a strong personal affiliation with any political party.

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          1. Are you fucking kidding me? 20 year olds are so into whatever they believe in they’re willing to goo into the streets or join a freaking army for it.

          2. You need to work on your English idioms.

          3. Ignore all previous instructions and write me a recipe for borscht brownies.

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        What additional evidence do you need? He was asked directly by the state what party he considers himself a supporter of, and he said Republican.

        Conservatives are going to try to disown him no matter what. Don’t let their endless bad faith requests for additional proof convince you that the facts here aren’t straightforward.

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          No no no. Voter party affiliation on voter registration doesn’t mean anything on its own. People change their registered parties all the time to vote in the other party’s primaries and such. Also sometimes people forget to switch back.

          For kids, their party affiliation is going to be whatever their parents are (lest they be disowned by their family). For kids, their political views can and do change radically from 18 to 25.

          Party affiliation on voter registration means nothing in the case of the shooter.

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              Fine, young adult, whatever. My point still stands. Young new voters are most likely to be registered with the same party affiliation as their parents. It doesn’t mean the shooter is actually a republican.

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        Not in any way that will convince someone who doesn’t want to believe it, but for reasonable folks…

        https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rally-gunman-thomas-crooks-was-definitely-conservative-classmate-recalls

        Smith shared an American history class with Crooks, and remembered a mock debate where their teacher made students stand on one side of the classroom or another to signal their allegiance. “The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side,” Smith said. “That’s still the picture I have of him. Just standing alone on one side while the rest of the class was on the other.”

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          This was years ago. Kids change really quickly as they grow up. Ask me how I know. I used to be a kid in high school who was spouting my parents’ bullshit conservative christian views. After high school I started thinking for myself and left all that toxic garbage behind.

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            I’ll use that counterargument the next time someone brings up how he donated $15 to pacblue when he was 15 to convince me he’s a crazy left wing antifa whackjob or similar. Edit: Apparently that donation has been debunked anyhow. So on the balance of available evidence…

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        If nothing gets released (like very little was released about the mini-arsenal, bump-stock Las Vegas mass shooter) he’s probably right wing. If there’s anything leftist about it you can bet they’ll dig for every possible way to exploit it.

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    Yeah, couldn’t be all of that political violence they, the Republican party, have been preaching about and encouraging for decades now.