"A Democratic operative who has seen private polling on how a number of issues could move the 2024 presidential election — like health care, the economy and immigration — told NOTUS that, improbably, no issue was benefiting Democrats more than Project 2025. And, predictably, Democrats are capitalizing on the unpopular plan.”
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Just because republiQans don’t want to talk about it doesn’t mean it’s not wildly popular.
It doesn’t “spin well” but that means very, very little.
Writing down their right wing bullshit for all to see turns out unpopular. Who would have guessed? We all knew they were full of crazy shit bit to index it for us, bravo.
The people planning this know it’s unpopular, but they want to do it anyway. They aren’t concerned with the will of the people, that’s the point.
They ARE doing it anyway. The game plan has been revealed for all to see and follow if they want, and people that are already in place will continue to push for this to come to fruition.
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Soon to be Project2029.
it used to be project 1980 and it has updated every single election year with both democrats and republicans enabling almost 75% of it so far.
biden really liked project 1980 and its sequels but wouldn’t say anything about project 2025 because of his history with it and now it’s a good thing that he’s out of the race because now democrats can pretend that it’s brand new and that they’ve always been against it.
meanwhile my mind continues to be blown how short our memories are and how little we pay attention.
it used to be project 1980 and it has updated every single election year with both democrats and republicans enabling almost 75% of it so far.
40% reduction in greenhouse emissions by 2030, income inequality dropping for the first time in IDK how long, working-classes wages rising even outpacing historic inflation, unions domestic manufacturing reforms on policing IDK what else, student loan forgiveness by hundreds of billions of dollars. And all of that was after the Republicans blocked like 80% of what Biden tried to do.
GTFO with your “both sides.” You’re actually 100% right as it was applied to the Clinton era and how it put us into this mess in the first place, but IDK if you’ve noticed that several decades have passed since then and the Democrats have changed substantially. They almost nominated a socialist for president, for one.
we’re literally at the highest peak of fossil fuel generation in recorded history and using tariffs to block truly affordable green energy products; wages across the board have not kept up with the cost of living; and biden literally created the student loan problem with the law he championed in 2005.
the dnc hasn’t changed at all; it’s the issues that have change; and democrats went out of their way to block the only truly socialist for president both times.
you’re mistaking reality for “both sides” arguments; the republicans have done worse and the democrats are merely enabling them.
we’re literally at the highest peak of fossil fuel generation in recorded history
Not literally true; the most recent figures I’ve seen make it look like US field production of crude oil has been going down since November 2023. But you sort of have a point as regards continued extraction going up and up, which is a problem. If anything I am saying sounds like “and that’s why everything is fine and we don’t need to reduce anything else at this point,” I am not saying that.
There’s a huge amount of the impact of the Democrats’ action in the last 4 years which is not simply extraction, though. Here’s a summary of the estimate of the impact, and here’s a followup about how it’s been going.
If you want to have a conversation about how the law is working in practice, which is based on analysis instead of on talking points, then sure we can do that. But I feel like the direction of “and that’s why it doesn’t matter who is president” (if that is something that would argue – not putting words in your mouth, just getting to the heart of the matter) will be incompatible with almost any conceivable fact based analysis of what’s going on.
and using tariffs to block truly affordable green energy products
Faaaascinating
So you’re super upset about the tariffs on Chinese EVs, but you don’t really care about other aspects of recent legislation regardless of their impact on the landscape? Do I have that right?
wages across the board have not kept up with the cost of living
Depends on how you measure. This is the first result I came up with when looking into it – however, there’s an important aspect of it that that doesn’t delve into. Working class wages rose by about 32% during that period, unadjusted – meaning that yes inflation ate up 20 percentage points of that gain, but also, the poorest Americans actually saw wages go up by a massive amount even under the punishing 2022 inflation. That, to me, is notable, and highly unusual even for a Democratic president (because yes they are corporate friendly scum quite a lot of the time; on that we can agree). No? I’m not bothered that tech workers at the top of the scale lost 3% of their wages relative to inflation, if you pick the exact right start and end points.
biden literally created the student loan problem
Fuckin citation needed lol
democrats went out of their way to block the only truly socialist for president both times
True dat
Fuck the DNC; on that we can agree
Not literally true; the most recent figures I’ve seen make it look like US field production of crude oil has been going down since November 2023. But you sort of have a point as regards continued extraction going up and up, which is a problem. If anything I am saying sounds like “and that’s why everything is fine and we don’t need to reduce anything else at this point,” I am not saying that.
Faaaascinating
So you’re super upset about the tariffs on Chinese EVs, but you don’t really care about other aspects of recent legislation regardless of their impact on the landscape? Do I have that right?
the policies are put in place to guarantee american hegemony and it doesn’t matter if it’s the chinese or the americans that will continue to fuck over the world for their own interests; i need these green products to continue earning a living in this country and so do many other people.
Depends on how you measure. This is the first result I came up with when looking into it – however, there’s an important aspect of it that that doesn’t delve into. Working class wages rose by about 32% during that period, unadjusted – meaning that yes inflation ate up 20 percentage points of that gain, but also, the poorest Americans actually saw wages go up by a massive amount even under the punishing 2022 inflation. That, to me, is notable, and highly unusual even for a Democratic president (because yes they are corporate friendly scum quite a lot of the time; on that we can agree). No? I’m not bothered that tech workers at the top of the scale lost 3% of their wages relative to inflation, if you pick the exact right start and end points.
nice cherry picking
Fuckin citation needed lol
this one is literally in recent living memory and so easy to find on google that it’s crystal clear you’re sealioning.
democrats went out of their way to block the only truly socialist for president both timesTrue dat
Fuck the DNC; on that we can agree
then why did you use it as an example that democrats have changed?
here’s an article i read not too long ago from a reputable organization that proves that this is literally true
Yes. It was true in October and November of 2023, and then it stopped being true as domestic production fell from the peak it achieved in those months. Pretty sure I touched on this.
Your link is actually a really good overview of a lot of the issues involved, why this is still a massive problem whatever level of “progress” has been made, and the successes and failures of the current administration. Like I said, if you’re up for a fact based discussion, that sounds great. It sounds like maybe you are not though. Like you didn’t even seem to be aware that both of our arguments give the same date for the peak; you offered the October 2023 article as a sort of counterargument for me saying the peak was November 2023…
the policies are put in place to guarantee american hegemony and it doesn’t matter if it’s the chinese or the americans that will continue to fuck over the world for their own interests; i need these green products to continue earning a living in this country and so do many other people.
This is a fascinatingly specific type of non-answer to what I asked you. I asked whether climate-friendly policies that don’t directly impact China were of interest to you. It kinda sounds like the answer is “no”…
nice cherry picking
Focusing on working class wages is not cherry-picking. I care more about what happens to working-class wages than I do about overall wages (although, it’s also relevant that the biggest decline that I could find for overall wages relative to inflation was 3 percentage points). Doesn’t that seem like a good thing to focus on? Or no?
this one is literally in recent living memory and so easy to find on google that it’s crystal clear you’re sealioning.
Yeah. Biden used to be much more conservative; he was part of that whole Clinton revolution of right-wing Democrats that was so horrifying in the 1990s. I didn’t expect all that much out of him and then he somehow wound up being this super-progressive president, by the standards of Washington, and the Democratic congress more or less (with some fuckin HUGE asterisks on that it’s true) went along with it. I was surprised. We need more of that; he was, of course, only progressive by the fairly low standards of Washington.
But it’s still weird to me that you’re clinging to the talking points when I’m clearly open to the conversation. IDK. Good luck I guess. You’re giving me a chance to air out some of the factual details and expand on them, so I’m fine with talking about it even if you don’t seem like you can really make sense of what I’m saying.
Fuck the DNC; on that we can agree
then why did you use it as an example that democrats have changed?
You are aware that “the Democrats” are not a monolith; that they have multiple people and even multiple subgroups within them? I used Bernie Sander’s almost-successful candidacy as an example. The group of Democrats that kneecapped his presidency, I don’t like, no. Replacing those jerks sounds great.
Turns out, if you’re reductive enough, you can make anything seem like it’s the same as anything else.
Yes. It was true in October and November of 2023, and then it stopped being true as domestic production fell from the peak it achieved in those months. Pretty sure I touched on this.
Your link is actually a really good overview of a lot of the issues involved, why this is still a massive problem whatever level of “progress” has been made, and the successes and failures of the current administration. Like I said, if you’re up for a fact based discussion, that sounds great. It sounds like maybe you are not though. Like you didn’t even seem to be aware that both of our arguments give the same date for the peak; you offered the October 2023 article as a sort of counterargument for me saying the peak was November 2023…
you’re assuming it was only 2023; here’s another article that shows fossil fuel generation is increase is trend upwards and estimated to continue onwards into 2025
This is a fascinatingly specific type of non-answer to what I asked you. I asked whether climate-friendly policies that don’t directly impact China were of interest to you. It kinda sounds like the answer is “no”…
my response converts the theory into impact; people are hurting because of these policies and the biden administration is ignoring that damage; as biden has always done.
Yeah. Biden used to be much more conservative; he was part of that whole Clinton revolution of right-wing Democrats that was so horrifying in the 1990s. I didn’t expect all that much out of him and then he somehow wound up being this super-progressive president, by the standards of Washington, and the Democratic congress more or less (with some fuckin HUGE asterisks on that it’s true) went along with it. I was surprised. We need more of that; he was, of course, only progressive by the fairly low standards of Washington.
biden hasn’t changed; the issues around him have changed and it only seems that biden has evolved because he needed to votes from the people that he had been shitting on for decades; as biden has also always done.
But it’s still weird to me that you’re clinging to the talking points when I’m clearly open to the conversation. IDK. Good luck I guess. You’re giving me a chance to air out some of the factual details and expand on them, so I’m fine with talking about it even if you don’t seem like you can really make sense of what I’m saying.
you only shared justification for shitty policies and minimized of the only facts presented with citations in this entire exchange.
This is has to be one of the dumbest, most reductive comments I’ve seen.
Project 2025+4n.
This guy maths.
“Let’s bring lots of Trump staffers together and co-write a Christofascist American version of Mein Kampf. We’ll write it as a blueprint for the dismantling of democracy in Trump’s second term and put it on the internet for everyone to see,” said the brilliant political strategists at the Heritage Foundation.
Hilarious that, after all this time, boomer idiots still don’t understand anything about the internet.
It’s crazy, when the GOP actually talks about what they genuinely believe, people realize it’s weird at best and horrifying nightmare fuel more often. That’d be why they spend so much time campaigning on fear and insults and appeals to emotion.
“When I think about Climate Change, I think of population control, don’t you?”
Bat shit crazy ideology.
Project 2025 is merely the logical result of the GOP allowing MAGA to completely take over the party.
Project 2025 is what you end up with when people in power are allowed to just arbitrarily ban things they don’t like. Then, when asked about the problems that come up with banning something, they double down and enact more bans. And then they do it again when even more problems creep up, leading to an endless circle of needless problems and more bans, leading to things like Hank Aaron’s biography and books by Judy friggin Blume being banned. When Superfudge! ends up on your radar for being inappropriate, I think it’s safe to say you’ve long since lost the plot.
Project 2025 is what you end up with when you answer cruelty with more cruelty, because anything else is capitulation and weakness. It’s what happens when you go all the way down the anti-abortion rabbit hole to the point where you’re defending forcing 10 year old children to give birth to their rapist’s children. It’s what you get when doctors are forced to tell women they can’t get care because they’re not dying hard enough yet. All because some old men who will never have to worry about this stuff won’t get it through their heads that maybe, just maybe, abortions may actually be necessary once in a while.
Project 2025 is what you end up with when the GOP sees these campaigns working, very successfully, at a grass-roots level. It’s what you get when the GOP sees school boards taken over by MAGA Republicans who use everything from intimidation to violence to force their way onto schoolboards and city councils. It’s what you get when you see schools and colleges with enormous dumpsters nearby, filled with books put on some banlist somewhere by these people. It’s what you get when openly corrupt judges like Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Aileen Cannon continue to act with impunity. It’s the logical answer to the question of “If these tactics have been successful up and down our government at various points, shouldn’t we just be doing it everywhere?”
Project 2025 is what you end up with when 74 million people, including 12 million people who did not vote for Trump in 2016, saw what he did over 4 years, and said “Yes! I want more of that!” in 2020. It’s what happens when the most well known people in congress are a QAnon crossfit trainer, a disgraced college football coach, and a woman most well known for copping a feel at a Beetlejuice play, while watching career politicians who stick to actual policy issues (even if they are issues I disagree with) being forced out of Congress entirely. It’s what you end up with when these people start taking the masks off and aren’t immediately ousted. It’s what happens when it takes six fucking months to eject George Santos even when their own oversight committees couldn’t even verify his identity. It’s what happens when everybody just starts asking “Why are we even bothering to keep the masks on? It’s not like anyone is gonna do anything about it anyway.”
And it’s what you end up with when the whole lot of them are being led by a dime-store Hitler wannabe who’s own hubris will not let him learn that even the most extreme people have their limits, and even his former staunch supporters are slamming on the brakes and saying “Hol’ up, here…”
I loved every moment of reading that.
Project 2025 is what you end up with when the GOP sees these campaigns working, very successfully, at a grass-roots level.
Good comment, but just wanted to point out, that was almost entirely astroturfing.
The Koch brothers had a practically identical list years ago, of course, they did not have the list of names of people in the executive branch who need to be fired on day one in order to implement all these policies by presidential feat rather than through legislation.
