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One word. “devman”
The thing that bugs me the most about Settings is the amount of wasted white space on every page. You have to do so much scrolling and clicking through tabs just to find various options. By comparison the dialogue boxes of the Control Panel apps are compact and concise. Every time I have to scroll down for something in Settings, I wonder why there’s so much empty space padding around everything.
You’d think a multi billion dollar corporation could afford a decent UI designer or two.
They used to have people who knew what they were doing: https://socket3.wordpress.com/2018/02/03/designing-windows-95s-user-interface/
Now their UI team seems to just be two guys shitting in a bucket (shamelessly stealing that expression from KiraTV).
Thanks for sharing that post, it was super interesting.
I wish I could see behind the scenes in the Windows UI discussions, to see how we get to what we have today
They could, but as with Google, the middle managers have to justify their existence somehow.
UI designers have had a war on information density for a loooooong time.
UI designers are paid off by big hand surgeon to make me scroll more
Muahaha now I can prepare for my final form: crotchety old man complaining about how they killed off the control panel.
Become boomer
This clearly calls for Windows God Mode.
Settings itself has been around in one form or another since at least Win95. 29 years…
The only thing I actually like about windows. Damn.
If Microsoft had actually moved all the settings over to the “new” settings app (it’s 12 years old, btw), I’d be supportive of this.
It’s a joke that windows has 2 settings apps, and searching for specific settings in the start menu will take you to either, or to both.
But as we all know, Microsoft won’t do this properly. They’ll likely just continue with their 75% finished settings app while hiding the control panel, and if you need something not in the settings app you’ll have to income some old menu using a run command or some other terrible UX idea.
MacOS, Android, iOS, Linux distros don’t have this issue. Fucking TempleOS doesn’t have this issue. Microsoft is a $3.2 trillion company.
The absolute lack of effort they put into Windows is pathetic. They’re a shining example of why monopolies should not be allowed to happen.
the thing that most grinds my gears is that there are settings that appear in both control panels and settings, appear to be changeable in both, but only one or the other actually changes anything.
Does Linux have good support for VR yet? Specifically my HP Reverb g2 that seems to be reliant on windows mixed reality…
I have the same headset, and as of a few weeks ago when I last checked, there is not complete support. I think the display works mostly, but the controllers don’t so it might depend on what you are doing.
Interesting - I rarely use the controllers, so could be do-able at least as a dual boot
I’ve never tried VR, but from what I’ve heard it’s hit and miss on Linux right now - certainly not as good as Windows at the moment.
I know that KDE has a lot of stuff for VR (unsurprising given Valve is pushing for it), and Gnome has just merged a lot of the same, so if you give it a spin I’d recommend an up-to-date distro (say Fedora or Opens use) with either KDE or Gnome.
I imagine that when Valve releases their new headset, progress will accelerate, but that’s just a guess
Interesting, thank you
Also was unaware Valve was working on a new headset! That’s good news as it feels like the market has really stagnated outside of the Meta headsets.
I wouldn’t get too excited. Supposedly the next headset is internally called Deckard, and it’s been “about to release” for like 3 years now? Pretty much everything people think they know about it is conjecture based off code Valve has tucked away in SteamVR; zero public statements of intent.
As for VR on Linux… kinda? I’ve only read terrible things about it online. I have an Index and tried to use it with Mint a few months back, and while it mostly worked without any configuration issues, there was a weird white ring around the edge of the screen that I couldn’t figure out.
zero public statements of intent
To be fair, when has Valve ever done this?
About as often as they actually release anything
Just a curious question - Is there any VR sets that work with Linux Distros? I’m not much of a gamer to need or want one. Just want to learn for learning’s sake.
I hate the settings app so much that I’ve just learned the powershell commands for setting up printers and changing NIC settings. Honestly it wouldn’t be as bad if a. It didn’t take forever to load on occasion and b. I could have two settings windows open at once.
It’s so hard to find settings there that jumping between network center and add device is not intuitive. If they remove control panel from servers too I might quite my msp job and go work at a grocery store.
Can’t wait for windows deprecating windows at this point
I’ve considered windows to be deprecated for over a decade.
I think they meant having actual window UI elements.
Everything fullscreen! Or force-tiled! Or else!
They tried that with Windows 8. It didn’t go over very well.
That’s fine, I can’t imagine using another version of Windows once 10 LTSC hits EoL.
Next will be NT. I think they will put their thing above a Linux somewhere in the next future.
I gather that the nt kernel isn’t inherently bad, rather that the aging win32 subsystem is the problem.
I know people in IT who only use control panel. This will piss people off.
Ew. They should expand their skill set to using terminal/powershell.
I’m not knocking on GUIs but I will call out “IT professionals” who ONLY know how to use GUIs.
To be fair powershell is more recent and windows has always used the control panel for most configuration, they are kind of rug pulling everyone who learned to use it and there arent clear terminal alternatives, for instance, how do I calibrate a game controller’s axis with the terminal?
Hot take, not everything should be powershell or cli. Control panel is pretty straightforward and even I use it from time to time. Because trying to find stuff in Settings is a nightmare.
The whole point of windows is the gui… otherwise i’d just stick with Debian.
Any time on Linux, but the windows shells are unusable. And configuration databases are much more convoluted things on windows than text files
If you want Windows without a GUI, you should be using MS-DOS. The whole point of Windows is that it has a GUI.
Hot take but anyone who refuses to rethink how things work during their lifetime causes changes to happen at the pace of 1 change per generation.
Of course, in this case, the new thing really is inferior.
I have no problem with change. But I do have a problem with Microsoft’s lack of QC or proper design methodology.
It’s certainly been a long drawn-out mess.
Yeah if the settings panel had feature parity with but with a better user experience nobody would mind but it’s less features AND a worse experience.
I remember trying to change some mouse settings on windows 10 but they removed the ability to get to the old mouse options from the desktop. I drilled down through the settings app and eventually buried deep I found where it would let me open up that same old mouse settings model to get to what I wanted to change. More clicks, more searching, and less features = poor user experience
I really love how many of the buttons in settings either open an edge web page where Microsoft shrugs at you or just opens the control panel for you to actually get something done…
But hey when I need to turn off transparency effects cause it’s making all my taskbar icons disappear every time I swap desktops the new settings page works great. Sometimes.
God they needed actual competition. Or something.
I mean I use windows and Linux for home and work. I’m happy with a changing ecosystem. The control panel is, often, the best tool to get shit done on windows.
At least windows god mode still available although you need a little bit trick to summon it
This would bother me more if I hadn’t switched to Linux full time 5y ago. Microsoft is gonna Microsoft I guess.
Every one of these Microsoft controversies since I ditched them has just validated my decision.
Microsoft is so ridiculously out of touch with its users demands.
Classic Microsoft move to implement something new, then not let go of the old thing and run them jankily side by side. Settings / Control panel is a prime example.
And at work its janky crossovers between Active Directory and Azure/Intune/Entra/other dumb names.
