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    Pretty big deal if it holds up another week or two.

    Note however, that NS does not have them as being this close:

    *Checking the other results in FL, this is a bit of a fever dream. Only engage with it if you haven’t had some time for self-care this morning.

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      9 months ago

      Keep in mind that ~R+3 is itself close and withing the margin of error of a lot of polls. Many of the swing states have had near D+3 margins in the average at one point

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        A bigger issue than MOE is structural bias.

        Here is FL 2020:

        Dem’s face a self-imposed structural disadvantage in both inter and intrastate models.

        R+3 in FL should be read more accurately as R+6 or R+7 based on the best most recent structural bias measurement we have. The article is weekend whacking material.

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          9 months ago

          That’s assuming the polling error goes the same way. That’s not a given at all especially as many pollsters have made methodology changes such as some doing much heavier rural sampling

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            You should base it on the data we have. The data we have says the polling bias for FL leans +3-4 for Republicans.

            You dont get to just “wish” it were some other way and base expectations around that.

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              Polling error has historically moved in inconsistent direction. Data goes back further than 2020. In 2012, Democrats were underestimated in florida by ~2 points. Romney was up 1.5% in Florida poll average vs Obama winning Florida by 0.9%

              Assuming it certain to go that way is not a given either. My point is that you cannot be certain about it

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                My point is that you cannot be certain about it

                Yeah and thats not really a point. Everything has uncertainty. We have to and do make judgements in the face of uncertainty of reality all the time.

                If you choose to live in a fact based reality rather, this is the thing we have.

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                  That’s not how your earlier comments are phrased. The earlier comments declare that this is a given structural bias and that it will always exist. How is entirely ignoring the 2012 election any more real than saying we can’t be sure?

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                    declare that this is a given structural bias and that it will always exist

                    You just lack reading comprehension. The previous comments said, “the last most recent estimate of structural bias”, which was Trump v Biden 2020.

                    I get it. You’ve got an axe to grind.