But if the steps are small enough there’s no difference, win or lose it’s not fast enough to avoid the negative situation.
That’s literally my point…
Incremental change works when you never lose sight of the goal and fight at every opportunity to progress towards it, not take one step forward than fall asleep and hope the other guys doesn’t take you ten steps back before you wake up.
And that’s pretty much as simple as I can make it. If Dem baby steps do not even recover from 4 years of a republican then they’re at best stalling the inevitable.
It’s easier to get people to fight if there’s a chance of winning.
If I have to choose between 1) standing still, 2) running head first into fascism, or 3) jumping off a cliff without safety nets to reach a Utopian pripe dream, I’ll choose standing still.
But that’s the thing, we aren’t standing still. We are making progress. Yes it’s slow progress, but it’s fundamental progress. Every Demcratic president has spent their entire presidency undoing the damage of the last Republican president. This means we need to keep voting and not get complacent. Get the democrats into control and then push them further left.
Look man. I want a progress country. I want free healthcare. I want free tuition colleges. I want free lunches in school. I want paid family leave.
I want the same utopia you do. The only difference between us is that while you see the promise land, I see the ground work that needs to happen to reach it.
Just because our heads are down doesn’t mean we’ve lost sight of the goal. Our heads are down because we’re fighting tooth and nail against a torrent that wants to drag us backwards. We are clawing our way out of this nightmare.
But think about the last time you were out and about with the general public…
Would you call the average American in 2024 smart?
Do you think it’s easier to convince literally 10s of millions of people?
Or the handful of people in leadership positions in the DNC?
If we change 10s of millions of voters minds, we still stand still
If we change the minds of those handful of party leaders, we get the votes and actual progress.
Why not try for the easy path that moves forward instead of the hard one where best case scenario we just get a breakfrom jogging backwards?
Like, this is literally my whole point… Either path can go to victory, but the easier path also gets us what we want and not just avoids what we don’t want. So why in the ever loving fuck does the party keep doubling down on the difficult path that doesn’t get us what we want, and how long till you realize the problem is a handful of wealthy connected people who run the DNC and not the millions and millions of voters?
Would I call the average American smart? No, but i wouldn’t call them dumb either. That’s because they’re average.
Would i say that the average American is well informed? Absolutely not.
Do i think it’s easier to convince millions of people, or the dozens of democratic leaders?
I would like to assume that the democratic leadership would be easier to reason with.
But you’re suggesting that every democratic leader become immediately progressive, which would be amazing, is never going to happen. There’s such a stigma around “progressive” and “social” values that it would be political suicide and would only ignite the Republican base. It’s a guaranteed way of making sure we lose elections.
This path that you are calling easier isn’t easy. It’s risky. It has a high likelihood of failing, and failure means living in the handmaid’s tale. I have a family and i can’t take that risk.
The only way i see forward that is actually viable is a slow and steady march.
But if the steps are small enough there’s no difference, win or lose it’s not fast enough to avoid the negative situation.
That’s literally my point…
Incremental change works when you never lose sight of the goal and fight at every opportunity to progress towards it, not take one step forward than fall asleep and hope the other guys doesn’t take you ten steps back before you wake up.
And that’s pretty much as simple as I can make it. If Dem baby steps do not even recover from 4 years of a republican then they’re at best stalling the inevitable.
It’s easier to get people to fight if there’s a chance of winning.
If I have to choose between 1) standing still, 2) running head first into fascism, or 3) jumping off a cliff without safety nets to reach a Utopian pripe dream, I’ll choose standing still.
But that’s the thing, we aren’t standing still. We are making progress. Yes it’s slow progress, but it’s fundamental progress. Every Demcratic president has spent their entire presidency undoing the damage of the last Republican president. This means we need to keep voting and not get complacent. Get the democrats into control and then push them further left.
Look man. I want a progress country. I want free healthcare. I want free tuition colleges. I want free lunches in school. I want paid family leave.
I want the same utopia you do. The only difference between us is that while you see the promise land, I see the ground work that needs to happen to reach it.
Just because our heads are down doesn’t mean we’ve lost sight of the goal. Our heads are down because we’re fighting tooth and nail against a torrent that wants to drag us backwards. We are clawing our way out of this nightmare.
And that’s the correct choice.
But think about the last time you were out and about with the general public…
Would you call the average American in 2024 smart?
Do you think it’s easier to convince literally 10s of millions of people?
Or the handful of people in leadership positions in the DNC?
If we change 10s of millions of voters minds, we still stand still
If we change the minds of those handful of party leaders, we get the votes and actual progress.
Why not try for the easy path that moves forward instead of the hard one where best case scenario we just get a breakfrom jogging backwards?
Like, this is literally my whole point… Either path can go to victory, but the easier path also gets us what we want and not just avoids what we don’t want. So why in the ever loving fuck does the party keep doubling down on the difficult path that doesn’t get us what we want, and how long till you realize the problem is a handful of wealthy connected people who run the DNC and not the millions and millions of voters?
Would I call the average American smart? No, but i wouldn’t call them dumb either. That’s because they’re average.
Would i say that the average American is well informed? Absolutely not.
Do i think it’s easier to convince millions of people, or the dozens of democratic leaders? I would like to assume that the democratic leadership would be easier to reason with.
But you’re suggesting that every democratic leader become immediately progressive, which would be amazing, is never going to happen. There’s such a stigma around “progressive” and “social” values that it would be political suicide and would only ignite the Republican base. It’s a guaranteed way of making sure we lose elections.
This path that you are calling easier isn’t easy. It’s risky. It has a high likelihood of failing, and failure means living in the handmaid’s tale. I have a family and i can’t take that risk.
The only way i see forward that is actually viable is a slow and steady march.
Bad news then.
Because running moderates mean sometimes Republicans win.
So it won’t be slow and steady
At absolute best your path is fast jerks back and forth over and over while you pray you over time move in the direction you want.
Which hasn’t happened in the last 30+ years since Bill Clinton started this whole “neo liberal” thing.
We’re worse off in a lot of ways than when we started your path. Do we give it another 30 years and hope it starts working for some random reason?
Or are you just fully committed to never trying anything else no matter how bad it gets.