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“He’s coding! I need a red bull, cargo shorts, and quiet classic rock, stat!”
NO that is the WRONG kind of coding!!
We need a monster, a short skirt, some stripey colorful thigh high socks, and Vocaloid music!
And five Discord boyfriends.
A discord kitten has needs ;3c
The heart beating is not a good definition of being alive in my opinion. The heart stopping temporarily doesn’t mean you died, you were just in terribly grave danger.
If a person is defined by their heart, what does that make a heart transplant?
utterly useless definition.
Brain oxygen levels are the most important one iirc
Because once those hit a certain danger threshold there’s not much to ‘bring back’ right? I vaguely recall reading that somewhere.
Brains fail catastrophically and unrecoverably pretty quickly after being starved of oxygen. I don’t like the chances of the frozen people who hope to be reanimated in the future
Some of them make for deliciously cursed slushies though
Yeah, I’m not in any way medically anything but I think I remember Dr Mike or one of those talking about how brain death is considered death or something like that.
no, we should use the heart beating as a definition. why? because then I can say I’m undead and have died twice. that’s very cool 😎 pls don’t take that away from me 🥺 :(
As an old and now retired medic. My personal definition of dead was if you made into the back of my amp-a-lamps or not. If you did you weren’t dead-- you were merely having a bit of a bad day. I might have needed to do your breathing for you and I might have needed to make your heart pump blood. But until some doctor somewhere decided you weren’t worth his time and effort, you were still alive. Because I don’t haul dead people.
So, by my definition as a trained and professional medical person, you where never dead-dead. Just someone have a bad day among many others having a bad day at that time.
And how is lichdom treating you? Have you raised an army of skeleton warriors yet?
But if you’ve died, then were undead, and then died again, you’d be un-undead right? So alive? It’s basic double jeopardy.
You put the double ‘un’ but forgot the double ‘dead’.Oh, I didn’t realise you were actually catching the thing mid statement.
Still:
- A dead un-dead would be a re-dead, not very alive
- Considering the 2x dead person is still capable of commenting, I would assume it came back after re-death and is now in some other condition.
That depends entirely on whether the un- prefix only negates the other un- prefix, or the entire adjective.
The thing is that ‘un’ is different from stuff like ‘not’, ‘non’ and the likes, because it is not just denying the referred word but saying that the effect of the referred word was reverted somehow.
You’re thinking a little too hard about a silly joke
Your silly joke was on Programmer Humour. You might find geeks and nerds here.
Overthinking is our ikigai.
Now get out of line and continue with further analysis of the ‘un’
My heart stops after every beat. Fortunately it has always started again before the next one…so far.
We use a lot to define being alive not just the heart. The heart stopping is just an easy way to pronounce someone dead. What you described is called a pause. Not really the same thing. Brain death is also a thing. Any organ transplant allows you to function when otherwise you wouldn’t be able to.
I meant like, when someones heart stops and gets restarted again with cpr or a defibrillator or something. People often call that being dead, and coming back.
So if someones heart stops we don’t actually shock them. That’s a medical show myth. We shock them if they’re in something called a lethal rhythm. Which is the heart beating but not actually pumping blood. Very similar to the heart stopping and will eventually lead to the heart giving out. CPR keeps the blood flowing which keeps oxygen moving throughout the body preventing permanent damage. We give medications to restart the heart. They don’t really die until these interventions are stopped. Some people also have a pacemaker that detects their heart going into a lethal rhythm and will take over the electrical impulse until their heart goes back to normal. By the definition of the heart stopping this person would technically die and be brought back too. So I see what you’re saying but I wanted to add some context that this is pretty complex. Even more so when you bring in people deciding when they don’t want these interventions.
We are all the cardiac system of Theseus on this glorious day.
Hey why do you think they call it “grave” danger
i know this is a joke, but i find it quite interesting those two words have completely different etymologies.
Grave as in burial site comes from an old proto indo european word for “dig”, while grave as in serious comes from french.
til french isn’t an Indo European language
Necromancy gets a bad name.
Yeah the poster talking about “coding” is talking a bit of nonsense. “Coding” here is slang for “code blue” which is an American medical euphemism for cardiac arrest or medical emergency. Code blue is partially used to not cause alarm with patients (for example if tanoyed or if people overheard staff) and medical staff are familiar with it because its common in the US system. “Coding” is just a slang that medical staff say to each other and is a quasi medical term; its not an official term and would not be written in peoples notes for example.
And it is not an universal term. In the UK we call a cardiac arrest a cardiac arrest and put out an “arrest call”. It is unambiguous and doesnt fall into a trap of creating other “codes” that become confusing. Similarly we have Trauma Calls for trauma teams and so on.
Some US hospitals apparently use a range of codes like code purple, code white, code gray etc. To my knowledge its not even standardised in the US or often between nearby hospitals (although code blue wouldn’t have other meanings). I wouldn’t be surprised if some US hospitals also don’t use code blue at all anymore because it is unnecessarily ambiguous.
To be fair, I wouldnt be that shocked to find out thats how the maintainer of some core library exists. Permanently on life support, because no one else can understand their code.
I think you just described every COBOL programmers retirement.
Isn’t this the plot of the Matrix?
Depends if you go with the original idea, or the battery idea designed by Hollywood execs who didn’t think the audiences would understand.
… thus proving that Hollywood execs and the people they make their changes for are only good for batteries*, but I digress.
* For legal reasons, this is a joke. I have to say this because some Hollywood execs have more lawyers than braincells**.
** For all the same reasons, this is also a joke.
Is end of life care better or worse now than before?
Depends on who’s paying for it
Better now, maybe. The people in palliative care are drugged heavily if their condition is painful. I suppose it’s different in different places.
The best selfish reason to be good to your children is that they might put you in care. It’s better if you can age and die at home unless you have a really nasty death.
It reads like two Chatbots having a conversation
getting all the relevant equipment and personnel
Yeah, doesn’t sound like the kind of coding I’m familiar with.
CPR doesn’t bring a decompensated body back to life. You gotta figure out the problem in order to do that and fix it. That’s what the algorithms we use in a code is for (as opposed to the algorithms you guys code). That’s the real esoteric necromancy. Epi, bicarb, epi.
https://hospitalhandbook.ucsf.edu/04-comprehensive-acls-algorithm/04-comprehensive-acls-algorithm
But they are literally dead
Dead is more of a legal than a biological definition nowadays. There’s definitely some leeway.
As an old and retired medic, the lack of respiration and pulse doesn’t mean you are dead-dead. On the scale of "Not Dead to Dead-Dead, a lack of respiration’s and pulse means you are at the maybe dead on the line. And other factors will make the final determination about if you are actually dead or not.
The first determining factor in figuring out where the patient is on the scale, is if you make it into my amp-a-lamps or not. If you do, you are alive at least for a little while longer and I’mma let the doctor sort it all out for you. If you don’t make it in the back of my bus, then you are dead-dead and nothing can change that-- not even god himself.
Jesus would like a word with you.
For all the times I have done CPR or those times I have to deal with a major trauma, never once did I see Jesus there waiting to take a turn at chest compressions, I never once saw the Holy Ghost crawl into an upside down car wreak with me, and God sure as hell was not there when I had to scale up out of that 20ft deep drainage ditch and had to explain to a Mother that her 11 year old son was dead under that 4-wheeler and there was nothing anyone could do to fix that.
God ain’t never had anything to do with it.
Not having a heartbeat and not breathing doesn’t mean you’re dead. Intensive care departments are literally full of people with medically paralysed breathing muscles (i.e. not breathing) on ventilation machines. People go onto heart/lung bypass machines everyday to have heart surgery and their heart is stopped. You just need to keep oxygenated blood going around, keeping those tissues alive till you get the heart and breathing back online (this is what CPR is trying to do).
When the brain stem is dead tissue, then you’re truly dead (but even then you can be kept “alive” artificially if you’re already on a ventilation machine in a suitable intensive care).
When your heart stops, you are considered dead no matter how viable your brain tissue is.
Source: I have pronounced many persons dead.
No it’s not. It only becomes a criteria when you can no longer reasonably be sure that it can’t be restarted.
Source: Retired medic that has pronounced my share of dead people AND restarted a few hearts also.
This is like saying your car battery isn’t dead because I’m able to jump start it.
So why do we do CPR? Why do we use AEDs? Was all the CPR I have done a waste of time?
Dead means you are going to stay that way. Dead is irreversible. And until I and/or a doctor say you are dead, you are not. You are just maybe dead.
Dead means dead if you don’t do anything about it
