Both Trump and his “border czar,” Tom Homan, have said California officials could face arrest if they’re perceived as impeding ICE operations.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom pushed back against threats of arrest by Trump administration officials, remaining defiant as he oversees clashes between law enforcement agents and protesters in response to immigration raids across Los Angeles while also managing an ongoing power struggle with the federal government.
In an interview for MSNBC with NBC News’ Jacob Soboroff, Newsom called Homan’s bluff, urging him to “just get it over with” and move ahead with the arrest.
“He’s a tough guy. Why doesn’t he do that? He knows where to find me,” Newsom said. “That kind of bloviating is exhausting. So, Tom, arrest me. Let’s go."
True Leftists are fun. They complain when you do, and they complain when you don’t.
Hopefully these comments are the ones that will make it clear just how hard the “Democrats bad” narrative is being pushed on Lemmy.
They want us to focus more on the Dems than the people actually implementing fascism. They want to manipulate the next election, and they’re starting early. It will get worse.
“Democrats bad narrative”
Idk, the actions of the governor of the state where national guard and potentially military are being mobilized against Americans exercising their first amendment rights, seems kind of relevant to the whole thing.
True leftists beat Mussolini into an unrecognizable piece of meat and hung him from his ankles
Hi, actual leftist here.
Is Newsom a garbage person, a slimy politician with no real core beliefs, who just tight rope walks a balance between the desires of his constituents, and his wealthy donors?
Yes.
Can garbage people actually do the right thing from time to time, be on the right side of an issue?
Also yes.
Keep it up Newsom, this is the kind of ‘fuck you, make me!’ energy/vibe/whatever we need to actually have a shot at resisting Trump from within the system, instead of basically being completely on our own.
Maybe this will be a genuinely radicalizing experience for him.
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I would love for there to be an actual, formal, ‘legitmate’ body or group of people actually, effectively, resisting Trump, instead of wringing their hands and complaining about how powerless they are.
Politics is the game of acquiring and wielding power.
Sitting down and crying about how you don’t know what to do is cucking yourself, and makes all your supporters into simps for a cuck.
Sorry to use the colorful language, no kink-shaming if thats your thing in the bedroom, but that is how I feel, and being a simp in the context of politics and governance is… not the place for such behavior.
If on the other hand we get some actually useful resistance from ‘legitimate’ officials, well then that means there might be a chance at ‘legitimately’ reaisting… but its going to mean a whole lot of libs are gonna have to learn how to actually play hardball the way Republicans have been the last 20 years… the way Gavin is here.
Anyone that uses the term ‘leftist’ is a fuckwit.
Get em Gavin
He’s not perfect but Newsom’s one of the few political figures resistance to the Trump regime can crystallize around. Yes I’m well aware he’s the type of guy who’d like to find common ground with these assholes but he’s at least willing to risk provoking Trump’s goons into overextending themselves.
One guy who’s actively defying this orange turd and all the fucking tankies on here would rather shit on Gavin because he’s not the perfect online liberal like they are.
You people are the fucking problem right now.
He’s thrown vulnerable people under the bus and has no principles other than what he thinks will help his career. Yeah, he’s doing the right thing here, but let’s not pretend he’s good because he’s doing the bare minimum
We can work with him while recognizing he’s not a true ally
When someone is cooking a good meal, even if they are generally bad at cooking, shut up and let them cook.
Not when cooking that meal could let them become head chef.
Newsom has his eye on the presidency, and he could win it if he becomes defined by this and not all the terrible shit he’s done.
At this point I’d take that as a win. Do you not understand the shit soup we are drowning in right now? Don’t let your idealism be a tool for the fascists.
Working together doesn’t mean we have to pretend our allies have no issues.
Newsom doesn’t meaningfully resist fascism and his brand of politics are a major part of why we’re here. Yeah, I’ll stand by him while he’s fighting, but that doesn’t mean we can’t criticize him.
We can’t afford to see him as a true ally. He will abandon everything we’re fighting for if it benefits him. A tiny percent of leftists criticizing him online amongst themselves will have no impact on how successfully the fascists are able to seize control.
I’m out there alongside liberals who hate most of what I believe, we can be open about that while still working together. We have a common enemy that needs to be stopped.
It means working with people you don’t like but it doesn’t mean we have to pretend they’re perfect, or even good.
If the conversation is about what they are doing to help, maybe don’t be a dick about it, there is a time and a place. Choose your battles.
imo an important part of discussing what someone is doing to help is discussing how much we can trust them and how they’re capable of helping. That mecessitates discussing what they’re bad at.
You’re 100% right there’s a time and a place. I think a discussion in a left-leaning place like Lemmy with essentially no impact on what action people take is an appropriate place.
Fucking this.
Furthermore, when people won’t even cook at all (online leftists who do fucking nothing but complain), they have no space to complain when someone is doing any cooking.
Only the sith deal in absolutes. Idealism is for idealists, aka tools. We are flawed beings, living in a flawed world, we have to deal with flaws. Nothing and nobody will ever be perfect for anything and everyone, that’s not a good reason to let fascists have their way. We can work out the details after the revolution.
‘The Left’ isn’t going to do shit in their ‘revolution’ except talk about it online.
They don’t show up to anything.
Yeah, that’s why there are so many protests going on right now with people being arrested for confronting and resisting the current administration, because leftists never do anything, right?
Yeah I see tons of actual people protesting, not the terminally online Leftists here.
Regular people are fighting, not the tankies ;)
Idealism is for idealists, aka tools. We are flawed beings, living in a flawed world, we have to deal with flaws. Nothing and nobody will ever be perfect for anything and everyone,
These are just your ideals, dum dum.
How is that a false standard of beauty, perfection, or excellence?
Exactly. I’m so tired of watching the left destroy themselves from the inside. Progress is slow. The right are clearly masters of playing the long game, they’ve been building to current events for decades. They’re happy to take the 10% wins bit by bit. They’re happy to make sacrifices for their progress.
Meanwhile the left demands nothing but perfection, and constantly cannibalises itself for not being perfect and revolutionising the world day 1.
You don’t have to suddenly love the guy, rewrite history, or swear loyalty. You just have to know when someone’s actually helping and not get in the way.
The right wins because they fight together. Business conservatives, evangelicals, fascists, libertarians. They might hate each other behind the scenes, but they march in line, and they’ll eat burnt toast with a smile if it gets them closer to running the kitchen.
A rational and situational understanding of the situation gets a lot of spears thrown at you, a lot of people claim left or right, I think for the most part the ones demanding absolute perfection with no compromises really just want a war. We’re in a world of broken boy soldiers with no glory to kill or die for. We’d rather devolve.
Garbage analogy for a garbage argument.
Fuck you. Do better.
No. People pointing out corrupt politicians aren’t the problem. Its those who cover for them and pretend like they are heros who are the problem.
What cover have I given anyone? I’m calling out all the couch potato leftists who couldn’t even get off the fucking couch to vote against fascists because of their bullshit purity tests.
Why should people vote for a genocide and reward it? If anything, making them lose despite the consequences is right thing because then youll send a message and democrats will finally learn to give ground if they want to win.
“Bullshit purity test”
Go F yourself for thinking that holding a stance against genocide is some “purity” test.
People like you, are the reason we are stuck with fucking trump.
People like you are why we end up with the choices of genocide vs fascism in the first place
Hey, I don’t want to assume; did you involve yourself in the last primary elections for the democratic party frontrunners? I don’t have respect for people who protest voting AND don’t even participate in primaries.
Hi, yes I do participate in all primaries and local elections. I also vote on measures whenever those pop up. I think all these are important.
To be productive, here is what I think we need to do:
- ranked choice voting
- ban PACs and donations other than by people
- limit campaign contributions or spending, so that you also dont have an unfair influence from the rich
There is probably a lot more that can be done, but this is probably a good start
I appreciate you not just assuming things btw, thank you
The American left is engaged in a slow and unconscious suicide. Meanwhile, conservatives are fucking evil as fuck.
The acceptance of liberal fascism is how we got here. It’s not how we get out.
Liberal fascism doesn’t fucking exist. Fascism is a right wing ideology you nutter.
he’s got a law degree, and passed bar, he’s aware of what an enormous investment opportunity that level of civil rights violation would entail.
This guy sucks soooooo much. I hate that he’s probably going to use all this in a presidential bid.
It’ll probably work. In the unlikely event we do have another election. I’ll probably vote for him too. But he does suck when he’s not taking advantage of a fat orange shitbag. Just remember that.
Don’t think for a second Newsom is a hero just because he opposes Trump. He’s a very corrupt individual.
I’ll take a Trotsky over a Stalin any day. Besides, this is Hollywood shit. The gov of California is a relatively blanched position. It’s a showpony job by design. Newsom has power here because everyone that has power in Sacramento and in the county system supports him. Everybody fucking despises Trump except the neonazis at this point.
Honestly, short of some miracle undoing this whole mess, this was a flavor of outcome I was quietly hoping for. At some point, politicians are going to realize - much like the president’s base - that they’re going to lose power unless they mount some kind of opposition. For the very worst ones out there, power is kind of their whole bag. Take it away and they get very angry; they may even do something about it. It’s kind of the tacit driving force behind any “checks and balances” scheme: power-hungry bastards trying to out-power-hungry-bastard each other. In a gross way, we kind of depend on it.
What is it about important blue states, like California and New York, that keep voting for corrupt pieces of shit(Eric Adams)‽ Again and again¿ Like I’m an out and loud proud social democrat in probably the reddest state, but it gets exhausting trying to juxtapose that with trying to tell people how corrupt every single repuglican is.
Liberalism is a fascist ideology.
$0.02: good people know enough to not take the job, let alone run for it. It’s expensive to run for office, doesn’t pay enough, eats up your life, you’re constantly advertising to stay employed, and your co-workers are all politicians. It’s very much a “I offer myself as tribute” kind of a situation, even for extraordinary people.
Meanwhile, a corrupt person knows that it’s worth all the trouble if you convert political power into (illegal) money.
Yep, I had a friend that was one of those I can change the world types. He was major of a place for a while, he said it sucked because you can barely accomplish anything, ans if your staff doesn’t like your ideas they work against you in subtle ways like not bringing you the relevent information on topics or reports etc. Basically clandestine backstabbing all term
Last time we fought fascism we allied with lots of adversaries to take down the larger threat. I’m down for doing that again.
Newsom is a complete coward lol, he is NOT resisting Trump meaningfully.
I mean this is exactly what i would call resisting, but i agree he is a shithead.
Gavin Newson kept California safe during the peak uncertain times of COVID.
Gavin Newson survived a recall that was initiated by the trump blowhards in Orange County and the Central Valley.
We do NOT NEED 2,000 national guards deployed to L.A. Trump WANTS to make things escalate, and 2,000 troops WILL make things escalate.
Your dipshit dictator is siccing military troops on citizens. This is war against citizens.
Just more TACO comments from wanna be bullies. These people would lose their teeth in a street fight. Then act like they are Rocky Balboa on state media Fox News. The reality is that they are pussies. Punch a bully and he never bothers you again.
eh nothing stops a bully for long, punch them and itll be a week, month, or a year, eventually theyll push and test boundaries again and then go further, gotta disable the bullies
Trump’s “border czar,” Tom Homan, warned Saturday that immigration operations and the presence of federal personnel would continue in the city despite criticism from Democratic leaders who’ve warned it could further escalate protests. He threatened arrest for anyone who obstructs the immigration enforcement effort, including Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass — though he acknowledged that neither yet had “crossed the line.”
Cross the line, Gavin. Cross the line and we’ll believe it’s not an idle threat. Until then you’ll always be Patrick Bateman to me.
The illegal deportations were the fucking line that was crossed. Put those fuckers on the defensive and don’t let them abuse language like this.
Let’s see Stephan Miller’s card…
The tasteful thickness of it…oh my God it even has a swastika watermark.
Hi all, I hope people hear this and the post is not hidden. This is an insecure system, and talking on here about things you want to or will do will be used by the regime.
Please take this as it is meant. I fully appreciate the anger and the pain you are all feeling, and you are totally right to fight, but you must fight smart.
DO NOT LET YOUR ANGER GET THE BEST OF YOU. If this goes the way it’s looking like it might, direct fights with whatfever is left of the States’ forces is suicide, and the good guys need all the boots on the ground you can muster.
There are many veterans of the war on terror who are literal experts on the tactics needed to win this; seek them out.
Assume all coms are monitored because they are. Look after each other, people.
A friend who knows the score.
If I am a betting person, and if Trump doesn’t arrest him sooner, I would bet that Newsom will run for president near 2028, and that is when Trump will have him arrested.
So are you? A betting person?
In the case of Trump? No. The dude is unpredictable.
Well, shit. There’s a lot to not like about Newsom, but I can think of 100 democrat politicians that would have folded like wet Kleenex by now. He could be a lot more aggressive about this, but he’s clearly trying to exhaust all the normal channels. Critical support for Gavin.
How exactly is Newsome impeding ICE?
They’re talking about arresting teachers for protecting their kids. They are not talking about Newsome cuz he’s sueing the government. But yeah, go and make this issue about your ego and presidential run bud.
He’s not impeding anything, but Republicans love manufacturing an alternate reality that justifies their violent thugishness.
