This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Before the election some asshole on Lemmy said if I voted for Harris, I’d have “Palastine blood on my hands.” Well I voted for her anyway because (and I can’t stress this enough) she was the most viable candidate to beat trump, and unlike trump, there might have been a chance to save at least some Palestinian lives.
Well trump won, and it was in part because of those assholes who refused to vote for Harris. The fucker who said that is the one with the blood on his hands.
I am positive that the protest voter campaign was 100% pro-trump. They wanted an Israel victory. Probably paid for by AIPAC.
I always like to point out that ex-slave Frederick Douglas bypassed a candidate who was strong for Abolition in order to work with Abe Lincoln, who was willing to keep slavery if it meant preserving the Union.
Douglas decided it was smarter for him to back the candidate who was most likely to win, in hopes that Lincoln could be persuaded once in office.
Pragmatism is intolerable to extremists.
Any concession is viewed as total defeat.
Just like any other zealot, religious or otherwise
Get out of here with this tired stuff.
All of this (gestures broadly) is the direct and inevitable result of lesser-evilism. A few people not sitting out the last election may have delayed this timeline (though I’m doubtful there were even enough protest-non-voters to make any difference), but this has been building for a long time and Harris hadn’t talked about any plans to reverse that trend.
Immigrants and trans people are just collateral damage to you?
Our suffering is a necessary evil?
What if I don’t want to be a pawn in your fucking game? What if I just wanted to live a happy life?
Fuck me for wanting a normal life rather than being fodder for your battles?
Your assumption that we’d defeat this so called “inevitable threat” throws people like me into the fire, and you could be wrong.
What if you’re wrong?
What if NOT letting this happen was our last chance, and we will never be free the way we used to ever again now… because of people like you?
I think you misunderstood me. Voting for the “lesser evil” is a valid strategy if it comes up every once in a while and you can use it to avert disaster, but when every single election comes down to voting for the “lesser evil”, then you just end up on a steady march toward an evil outcome.
We’ve been on this path for decades, with today’s Democrats being far to the right of where Republicans were fifty years ago. Even if Harris wasn’t as bad as Trump (which she almost certainly wouldn’t be), she would help build the framework for the next Trump-like monster that followed her.
You don’t fix an evil system by voting for evil over and over again, evil if it’s the lesser evil. We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
So the answer is yes.
Minorities are collateral damage to your moral crusade.
Maybe look in the mirror every so often before repeatedly spouting off about evil.
We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
And we need to stop electing fascists if we ever want a chance to “see” (read: vote for) such a candidate. It’s actually not about this abstract, undefined “greater evil vs lesser evil” bullshit, it’s about what the two viable candidates were actually likely to do once in power. Everyone knew Trump was a fascist who would try to literally end democracy, he’s done it before and it was essentially his entire platform. Yet here we are. Dems, as experience has taught us, were likely to piddle around for four to eight years and do some performative but ineffectual lip service to their base, while keeping what passes as democracy in place. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me. You can’t fix a system from within if the system has been burned to ground.
I totally agree. I think keeping the extreme evil of Trump out of power was worth voting for a controlled opposition establishment Democrat (and of course I voted for Harris and didn’t sit the election out).
A campaign based on lesser evil drives down voter turnout if it’s used every single election, which it has been for so long. The one reprieve we’ve had was Obama (the first time, when he still seemed progressive) running on a campaign of hope and change. Trump is the worst we’ve seen so far, but all of the Republican candidates back to at least Reagan were pretty awful people and the Democratic stance was mostly just pointing out how awful they are.
If we consistently don’t get opposition candidates with a positive message and plan for fixing things, we end up with low voter turnout and monsters like Trump in office.
Immigrants and trans people are just collateral damage to you
You’re literally justifying Palestinians as collateral damage. You don’t have the moral high ground here. You’re perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of others.
Here. Take a look. I dare you. https://archivegenocide.com/
False equivalence. Palestine was fucked either way, and Harris winning was probably the better outcome of the two. No outcome was going to stop the genocide, so it’s not particularly relevant to the choice. Except that the outcome we got was almost certainly the worse one.
Trans people and immigrants did have outcomes that were radically different based on who won. The choice changed the outcome, so it was relevant
So you’re an accelerationist and can be totally disregarded.
Pulling your head out of the sand doesn’t make you an accelerationist. Nobody with any sense wanted Trump, but thinking that a Harris win was going to set us on the right track is delusional.
yawn
There never were that many if those. Harris was going to lose regardless, as was Biden. They should have held real primaries and not rig it for the democratic socialist candidates to lose.
Sorry but no. A candidate that loses by 1.5% is far from a candidate that was “going to lose regardless”.
People act like it was this huge strategic blunder but it’s easy to talk shit once the battle is lost. Democratic socialists were not particularly popular outside of your online social circle, maybe they’d have tanked even harder.
Now I understand, if you opted to sit this one out, that it feels better to tell yourself Harris was going to lose anyway. But in 2024 every vote counted and every non voter was a willing ally of the trump regime.
Run more neoliberal, zionist dems, it’ll only get worse
