Hi all! I used to be a daily r/selfhosted lurker and a bit active user. Since the Reddit saga I thought that r/selfhosted would be one of the first and bigger community to move to Lemmy due to the IT knowledge of all of their users and the sensitivity about self host/privacy/open source, but I see that not only the community is still all there, but it’s rising. :( That really makes me sad. How can we convince the mods there to move people here? Is it allowed to talk about Lemmy on Reddit or do we risk of being banned?
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Stop obsessing about Reddit and create a content on Lemmy instead. People will come once they see there’s enough activity here.
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I’d prefer if we stopped bringing up Reddit altogether. We no longer use the platform, we should be happy with what we have here instead of constantly peeping into the neighbor’s garden.
Exactly. Chill out. It’s not a competition.
Just hang out and enjoy the community.
It’s not an obsession! Simply if all the good poster/commenter that are there would come here, this place would be better!
Be the change you want to see.
You thought they were the leaders. They’re the followers, staying near the crowd.
Building communities is hard and takes time.
I am not a good boi?
The OP has double the posts you do?
It’s still a correct statement
My favorite r/selfhosted comment.
Same with r/antiwork they closed briefly and when Reddit sneezed their way, they opened the sub instantly. Talking about hypocrisy.
There’s a lot of subs like these which I don’t want to name. Basically, subs with anti-corpo principles but refuses to leave corpo Reddit. I’m happy for the subs who are still dark even until now (and even more reason to be now that Reddit is deleting older DMs and removing awards/coins).
Basically, subs with anti-corpo principles but refuses to leave corpo Reddit.
See also: Discord
Why not name them? Personally, I’m most disappointed in r/cyberpunk. They kind of proved they are all about neon lights.
Every movement, subculture, whatever is just about fashion for 98% of the people involved. Fashion is easy. Values are hard.
Well, imho, at least half of r/antiwork posts were escapist fiction of how one should have replied to their manager.
I guess moving to lemmy was too much work.
Everyone there probably decided not to self-host because they can’t hide it behind their VPN lol
Ahahaha, top message!!!
I agree with all the comments so far but would like to add my own thoughts. Users are not important. Personally I moved to lemmy because the quality of discussion on reddit dropped so much.
This has been my trajectory:
- avid reddit user and content creator there (not sure if the right term) 2016 - 2018
- lurker from 2018 to 2023
- completely dropped reddit and moved to lemmy
My hope is that we can have the same kind of content and discussion in pre 2020 reddit
yeah the comment per day graph is not doing too hot. Subscriber count may be rising but comment count is constantly in the valley.
I like it here on Lemmy as there are quality talks from people and not too much circlejerking same concepts around. I actually like going trough here.
The change will come once people start searching for stuff on Google and they get results which link back to lemmy. For that to happen we need people asking for help/feedback and getting their answers here.
I’m happy to help provide answers on my fields of interests but they are pretty much dead on Lemmy for now, it’s a chicken and egg thing.
It doesn’t help that because we don’t really have good algorithms, my feed is dominated by generalist topics, memes, news and tech stuff. So even if I subscribe to smaller communities, if I don’t intentionally go visit them they’re never in my feed.
We need to better surface posts from smaller communities by having a weighted algorithm so that your feed is a mix of big and small communities.
Isn’t Hot supposed to work like that? When it’s not broken, of course.
I feel like some simple algorithm like the ones used in dithering may be used to mix up the feed.
This was actually mentioned in an issue on the github. I can’t quite remember whether it was turned down or just inactive. I totally agree. If we’re going to compete with big social medias then we also need some kind of algorithms. Opt-in/out of course.
The most useful comment in this entire thread, the search results are a bit of a mess currently and that’s a huge stumbling block.
I tried a simple search query with lemmy and the way results come back is not good
it’s going to take a long time for that to change but just as a casual user I doubt I’d click anything past the first few reddit links.
The fact we’re on the first screen of results is progress! 🎉
You can’t do site:website.com due to all the different instances
Google’s algorithm might actively down-rank Lemmy sites though, as the messages appear duplicated on multiple sites, which is usually a sign of SEO blog spam.
Probably needs a change on Google’s side to better recognize federated websites. Not impossible that they will do this, lets see.
As of v0.18.2, Lemmy marks the “original URL” as the canonical URL so search engines know which page is the “real” one. Shouldn’t that help?
Well firstly, why do you care about being banned if you’re leaving Reddit?
Come to terms with Reddit not dying overnight. Lemmy isn’t going to vanish if people don’t move over straight away. Reddit will eventually succumb to the 1000s of tiny self-inflicted cuts. Post content that isn’t on Reddit and people will have a motivation to stay here.
Make Lemmy the place to be when reddit kills the next thing, and the next thing, and the next thing. Yeah we’re small, but we’re something crazy like almost 10x the size we were before the 3rd party app shitshow.
We aim to be the place where people can migrate to next time reddit causes a freakout, like killing old reddit
You would think, of all the communities that would be comfortable with migration, it would be the folks from
/r/selfhosted!Fellow user from there, btw, nice to see we’ve got a decent pool of people on this board instead.
Totally agree. Thought the same when the reddit shitstorm happened.
Well that’s probably a reason why this community is so strong compared to other nieche communities
So…I own a .com domain that’s really, really good as far as being lemmy-related (it has lemmy in the name).
Not exactly a s self-hosted question, and I’m an old geek so I can arrange hosting and set things up myself when I have time, but anyone have a guess as to my traffic costs if I decide to turn it into a federated lemmy instance and open it up to the public? Just looking for thoughts and opinions.
I wouldn’t worry about it too much. The per-user traffic costs appear to be low enough that it seems likely you’d be able to sustain the instance on donations, even with a low percentage of altruistic users.
You could also try asking @Ruud.
Only one way to find out. ;) You can always limit signups if you get overwhelmed. Get yourself one of those DMCA protection licenses too, they’re very cheap afaik.
Could you expand on the DMCA protection you mentioned?
https://www.eff.org/issues/dmca I am not sure how it all works. However, there is some registration you can sign up for to help comply with: “The “safe harbor” provisions (section 512) protect service providers who meet certain conditions from monetary damages for the infringing activities of their users and other third parties on the net.” You will have to read about it further, but I saw it mentioned when others were discussing setting up an instance. There is a very good Matrix chat where you can get a lot of help too with set up, etc. There’s also a few communities for hosting lemmy, such as !lemmy_support@lemmy.ml
Subscriber numbers mean little. Take a look at the trend for the posts per day and comments per day graphs. They’re far more accurate indicators of the level of engagement actual users are having with reddit.
I’ve just checked for 10 of the subs I used to subscribe to, 2 of which have over 30m subscribers - all of them have the same downward trend in terms of posts and comments. I’m not saying reddit is in trouble but less new content is being created and that which is is being talked about less, eventually that will take a toll.
If you look at the charts you linked, you can see the users activity (post per day and comments per day) is falling sharply since last month. Subscribers count mean nothing if a big proportion of the active posters leave.
Makes sense, the people who have both the tech knowledge and conviction on the advantages of selfhosting, were probably the most active posters.
The new subscribers are probably bots.
100% how spez started out initially and made it appear that reddit had a lot of activity. So this definitely smells like spez-tricks
Post per day seams steady at about 30/40, comment per day seams to have dropped from 3/400 to 250/300, I would have expected a great fall.
If you compare post per days from before the strike, it definitely falls. It’s no longer an upward trajectory despite subscribers growth.
Yeah I wouldnt be surprised if spez is bolstering subscriber numbers for larger subs with bot accounts
If you link to Lemmy on Reddit, the admins sometimes delete the comment.
Lol I used a script to overwrite my 13 years of fairly active redditing with a join-lemmy.org link
I’ve read that Reddit was recovering them all. Are yours still gone?
this chart (from your link) shows that the change has stifled the activity a bit. maybe a 10-20% drop in new posts per day. which is not insignificant. so maybe subscribers are rising, but the number of posts has dropped and plateaued (so far).
But i dont think it will ever go away, it was also my go-to place for a long time. Hopefully more of the posters and commenters head here!
More subscribers… check More comment… maybe check Quality content… nah
I use RSS to get r/selfhosted post and I can guarantee that most posts are amateurs asking questions.
Well… I hosted nothing myself, but now I host my own Lemmy instance :o)
Ever since the api shit happend, and mods left their subs unmoderated, I feel like there are more bot accounts/posts on Reddit than ever.
That’s also because a lot of mods used the API to detect bots and other malicious users. These tools were removed so even if the mods didn’t leave, they are now significantly less effective.
