• ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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    • Younger generations are less pro Israel.
    • There’s a segment of liberals that view any victimized or oppressed group as morally superior regardless of context.
    • Michigan specifically has a very high population of Muslim/middle eastern descent.
    • It’s not that sudden, there’s been growing criticism and calling Israel an apartheid state for years. The recent escalation in hostilities just made it more newsworthy.
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      OK but republicans demanded help to Israel to help Ukraine, until they changed it up.
      So it seems that although Biden may be bad, the only alternative is worse.

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        If you’re being punched in the gut, it’s not reassuring that the other option is going to use a bat instead.

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            Progressives in a nutshell. They will be upset with the status quo no matter what.

            Even if Bernie was nominated and elected, progressives would have turned on him within a year, because he wouldn’t have been able to get policy passed without major concessions, which would then alienate the progressive base for not being perfect.

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              So you support genocide, but you’re mad that progressives don’t?

              Really? You believe that’s a good talking point?

              Wow.

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              Even if Bernie was nominated and elected, progressives would have turned on him within a year, because he wouldn’t have been able to get policy passed without major concessions, which would then alienate the progressive base for not being perfect.

              I’m gonna borrow this, very succinct.

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              “If you don’t like our hellscape status quo then you’re just looking for perfection” - out of touch democrat stans

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              You are correct. People expect big sweeping changes and are upset when it doesn’t. What people need to realise is that it’s like a rudder on a giant ship. If you keep voting left then you slowly move left. Which also means any time the right wins we stay on course or move further right.

              People need to take a long term view.

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            Ya, Trump bad and all, but maybe it’s Biden who should do more to get the anti-genocide vote. Isn’t getting votes part of his job?

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              No, the president gets our votes automatically because he’s got the job already and can beat the mean fascist man without tying! All we have to do is verbally abuse anyone criticizing Biden and we’ll surely have him as president again and there’ll be no problems come 2028 or anything!

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                there’ll be no problems come 2028 or anything!

                Downvote them all you want, it’s a very poignant point that’s left at the wayside of defeating Trump right now. Joe wins in ‘24? The threat of a second Trump presidency is deferred, but he has fundamentally transformed American politics regardless

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                  “Deferred” like he’s likely to be back in 2028. Extremely unlikely he will be eligible by then, and even more unlikely he’ll even be able to mentally/physically fit enough to campaign. He’s already falling to pieces.

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                    So? He’s the alt-right iconoclast currently yes, but the undercurrent was there in the McCain-Obama race, and Trump demonstrated the easy mode to power of populism to the RNC. Look at the current House shitgibbons, and most of them have survived reelection, look at who just stepped down at the RNC to make way for a groomed successor.

                    Trump going to jail, being disqualified, or succumbing to himself wolnt unopen that box.