• northendtrooper@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    Crazy that after all this time we can still communicate with Voyager 1. Even though it is babbling back now.

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      1 year ago

      That’s actually not all that hard. They just have to blast it with a radio signal strong enough from Earth for it to hear and they have to have really big dishes on earth in order to hear it.

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Is there any reason we haven’t built a craft specifically to be slung out of the solar system as quickly as possible?

    IIRC Voyager wasn’t built for this, it’s just a bonus that they’re still semi operational.

    • Zron@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Space travel is very expensive and NASA has a very small budget these days.

      Back during the space race, NASA could afford to launch multiple missions per year. Now they can barely afford to maintain existing missions and are lucky to launch a major missions every few years. Which is why they’ve moved to buying space on commercial missions, as it’s cheaper to only pay for a spot on a rocket/craft than to pay for the whole thing.

      NASA also has to justify its missions to congress. Sending rovers to mars and probes to the moons of Jupiter and Saturn have actual scientific interest and can answer questions about the formation of the solar system, and the viability of life off of earth.

      Slingshotting something really fast sounds cool as fuck, but there’s not much data to be gathered there. We’ve also recently beaten the “fastest man made object” record with the Parker Solar Probe, as it’s currently whipping around the sun at ludicrous speeds while it collects data about the solar atmosphere and magnetic fields. It’s moving a lot faster than voyager ever did, as it needs an insane amount of speed to orbit so low to the sun. It’s actually much cheaper, fuel wise, to travel to Pluto than the sun.

      So why waste billions of dollars to fling something out into deep space? We have barely even seen all Of the celestial bodies in our own star system, and there’s not much to be learned about the empty vacuum beyond the sun. The only justifiable reason would be to send a probe to another star system entirely. But that probe alone would have to be the largest, most expensive space craft humanity has ever built. It would need to be able to power itself for centuries, have a communication system capable of sending data over interstellar distances, and likely need a way to autonomously harvest its own fuel, as there’s very little point in sending a probe screaming past Proxima Centauri and taking a few hazy pictures of planets as it goes. We’d want the probe to be able to stay in and explore the new star system, and the only way to do that is to have enough fuel to move around an entire system, or create more fuel as it goes. Something like that has never even been tried before, and the risk is high when you won’t know if it worked or not for a few hundred years.

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          Another important factor with the Voyager probes is that they got their solar escape velocity with the help of a very fortunate alignment of the outer planets that only happens once every 176 years. It was much cheaper to fling something out that far under those conditions, and we won’t see them again until 2153.

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      1 year ago

      In addition to what others have mentioned, there’s also a problem of communication. Inverse square law is a bitch. It was actually assumed at the start that the limit of the Voyager missions would be communicating with the probes, but improvements in radio technology have kept it going longer.

      Information on the heliopause is about the only useful thing we can get from something out that far. It turns out to be a lot more complex than we thought. After that, there’s nothing interesting until you can get to the next star, and our radio technology isn’t up for that.

      • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Information on the heliopause is about the only useful thing we can get from something out that far. It turns out to be a lot more complex than we thought.

        It seems to me that this would be worth a mission?

  • Optional@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Instead of sending messages home in binary code, Voyager 1 is now just sending back alternating 1s and 0s. Dodd’s team has tried the usual tricks to reset things — with no luck.

    It looks like there’s a problem with the onboard computer that takes data and packages it up to send back home. All of this computer technology is primitive compared to, say, the key fob that unlocks your car, says Dodd.

    “The button you press to open the door of your car, that has more compute power than the Voyager spacecrafts do,” she says. “It’s remarkable that they keep flying, and that they’ve flown for 46-plus years.”

    Wow. I mean, yeah, but. Crazy.

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      It’s not remarkable they keep flying. They’re in space, just moving along their vector.

      It is remarkable they keep operating though.

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        46 years of radiation, dust, and passing through the heliopause makes it pretty amazing that it’s still flying and not an irradiated ball of welding spatter.

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          Space is super empty. Not hitting anything that would change its path or physically destroy isn’t that wild.

          Most stuff destroyed by time on earth is erosion or microbial breakdown, which isn’t an issue in space.

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    1 year ago

    I volunteer to go up there, fix it, change the batteries, install Doom. And don’t worry about the ‘fuel to get home’ issue.

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    1 year ago

    Is it possible that cosmic rays beyond the heliopause have damaged (bit-flipped) the radiation-hardened circuitry on board the spacecraft? That might cause it to start jibbering nonsense.

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      There are a number of possibilities. We likely will never know what actually happened. A bit flip would be bad, but potentially fixable. If they can somehow force a reset. It could also be simple component failure, a bad capacitor, in the wrong place, and your computer goes haywire. Ditto for mechanical damage. A grain of dust, hitting the wrong point could cause a cascade of problems.

      The backup systems are long dead. The fact they’ve managed to extend the mission life by 41 years is quite incredible. It was never expected to last this long.

      God speed V’ger!

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      That’s very likely what happened. The problem is that the control board that manages communications is so old that nobody can find any documentation on how it works, so they can’t even begin to figure out a fix.

      Everyone involved with that project is also probably dead.

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        Everyone involved with that project is also probably dead.

        Literally, the FIRST sentence of the article is talking about someone who’s been involved with Voyager I from the start. Yes, the project has outlasted many of it’s original engineers, but to say, “Everyone involved with that project is also probably dead,” for a major mission that launched 46 years ago is obviously untrue.

  • Pretzilla@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Geek out question: is radiation much of a factor in degradation given:

    • It’s moving further away from the Sun
    • It’s traveling down solar wind so the total exposure is less than something in solar orbit

    And how damaging is background cosmic radiation compared to our Sun’s?

    Fun to ponder