What the hell?
So, now they are slowly (or immediately and forever, I don’t know the time span) injecting propaganda into their clone of wikipedia and they are simultaneously thus admitting they are doing it. (to further brainwash the russian citizens)
So lettme repeat: FUCK PUTIN, and stuff your rubber clones in your ass. (which there are many of)
Not hell, ol Russia.
So like China. Man, what is up with communist states and censoring stuff?
Because censoring is effective to control people.
Unfortunately it’s not communists states. It’s authoritarians.
There was a right-wing capitalist military dictatorship in my country in the 80’s that did the same thing. Censored movies, books, music. Only the news they approved could appear on TV.
“Governments” like this won’t tolerate anything they see as a threat to their control of the country.
You think Russia is communist?
Yeah, but only for the 99%. The 1% gets capitalism.
Wait. Just like China…funny that.
So for the 99% there is an abolishment of private property, leaving only personal property and public property, everyone has an equal share, and the state has been dissolved?
Because if not, at least one of us doesn’t understand communism. It’s entirely possible we both don’t. Would you be willing to clarify the term as you understand it?
So Putin’s regime embraced, extended and extinguished it? How ironic…
I don’t get it. They made a copy without touching the original, how it that EEE?
I guess they did it only locally. Though it doesn’t exactly fit the definition even that way. And why would it be ironic?
'Cos that tactic is Microsoft™.
Then again the Russian Federation is a fascist state run by oligarchs, so not that much different from the fascist state run by billionaire CEOs that the US is…
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Wikipedia is not currently banned in Russia.
But the Russian branch of Wikimedia as an organization is.
Also, pretty much nobody in Russia uses Ruwiki, everyone keeps using Wikipedia.
That’s all not to say it isn’t a troubling development, though. But Russians are more likely to access Wikipedia through VPN than to rely on Ruwiki. The game’s not lost.
Give it 5 years and I bet Florida does the same.
There’s already Conservapedia.
Filled with “alternative facts”?
The 2021 Capitol protests also known as the J6 FBI false flag attack on the U.S. Capitol or Fedsurrection consisted of a diverse group of American patriots of different races, backgrounds, and cultures protesting the electoral college certification of the fraudulent 2020 presidential election who were entrapped by the FBI on January 6, 2021.
I just threw up a little just visiting for 5 seconds.
Just a little?
Last I knew they called the Russia-Ukraine war the “NATO War in Ukraine” and claimed Russia killed over 10,000 “NATO mercenaries” mostly from Germany.
Very much so. Last I heard the userbase was composed of roughly half truly sincere ultra-conservative nut and half parody accounts attempting to portray ultra-conservative views too extreme and nutty for the sincere ultra-conservatives, and nobody could tell who was what.
Poe’s Law in action.
I think that’s satire? I’m not sure, but it feels like satire.
I hate this timeline 😅
The gaslighting is crazy
From the top of the page:
Ruviki 2.0 is in beta | Report bugs
Trying to pass this clone off as an “update” to actual Wikipedia lol
It’s really getting kind of ridiculous at this point. You can’t hide truth, and you can hide from truth. All things being equal, truth has a way of being ultimately seen.
Ughhh, don’t you see what’s happening in Gaza? At the end only money controls the narrative and foreign government’s policies. And that’s coming from so called developed democracies…
No one cares what is morally corrupt or not anymore, as long as it is beneficial for them.
Ughhh, don’t you see what’s happening in Gaza?
I was speaking species-wide, and not just one geopolitical region and/or situation.
I was also speaking about a cloned and altered website.
Ultimately, usually with time, the truth gets out. So it’s a waste of time to hide the truth, long term.
What the hell?
The only surprise in this news is that the “more like this” sidebar is filled with porn for some reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-04-25/In_the_media Wikipedia’s own coverage
Graphic designer Constantine Konovalov calculated the number of characters changed between Wikipedia RU and Ruviki articles on the same topics, and found that there were 205,000 changes in articles about freedom of speech; 158,000 changes in articles about human rights; 96,000 changes in articles about political prisoners; and 71,000 changes in articles about censorship in Russia. He wrote in a post on X that the censorship was “straight out of a 1984 novel.”
Interestingly, the Ruviki article about George Orwell’s 1984 entirely omits the Ministry of Truth, which is the novel’s main propaganda outlet concerned with governing “truth” in the country.
That last detail…wow. They really don’t want to leave any doubt about what they’re doing, do they?
I have to wonder, don’t the majority of Russians pretty much know that their government is full of shit? There’s enough of the population old enough to see the fall of the USSR, the time between the fall and the rise of Putin, and then every bit of Putin’s transition to autocracy, to the point that there’s enough word of mouth in private to counter the majority propaganda. Granted, the younger generations will grow up not knowing anything else, especially with older generations dying off or getting killed either via war or suicided by falling out of windows.
One other part of the factor that isn’t often mentioned. Is that they believe and in some small aspects are not mistaken. That the US government is just as corrupt manipulative and bad as theirs. And see critique of their government as hypocrisy. And a lot of Americans feel the same under similar critique.
They do know, but they honestly, sincerely believe that a government of for and by the people isn’t possible for them.
Source: hosted a Russian exchange student. We had this talk, I suggested that Russia could have a state that works for its people and got laughed at and basically told “we don’t do that here.” And honestly, as an American in 2024 watching our democracy implode in real time so that billionaires can have lower taxes, I get it.
It doesn’t really matter because Russians have never really had a mature democracy and so, I think, do not really know how it should/could be different. They are used to various forms of authoritarian rule; whether the leader is called a Tsar, or a General Secretary of the Communist Party, or a President of the Russian Federation doesn’t make that much difference.
Well, that was also true in Korea and Japan before WW2, yet both are shining examples of democracy (with a healthy amount of chaebol/Keiretsu/oligopoly to round it out). Likewise in Germany.
So it’s not impossible, just foreign.
Of course it is possible and I hope they eventually develop into a mature democracy. Point is, it has not happened yet.
“Mature democracies” buy Russian gas and support Azerbaijan.
Nothing in the past makes an existing democracy more stable.
What does is culture of bravery\heroics AND fairness AND individualism. Bravery AND fairness without individualism get you communism. Bravery AND individualism without fairness get you either the British Empire or Somalia. Bravery without fairness and individualism get you fascism. Individualism AND fairness without bravery lead to something like most “mature democracies” of today.
Now, Russia has problems in culture with every one of these. Each of them pops up locally here and there in the social fabric, but the lumpen layers don’t like the idea of fairness and bravery, while the worker class, so to say, doesn’t like the idea of individualism, and the “well off” people are similar to the lumpen class sometimes in this. Bravery is the one most lacking, though.
“i have to wonder…full of shit”
think about how many poeple voted for and continue to vote for Trump and republicans in general here in the US when they have a long and obvious track record.I have to wonder, don’t the majority of Russians pretty much know that their government is full of shit?
Let me offer my perspective,as a Russian. People do not want to lose everything like they did in the 90s. Yes, everyone understands that the government is full of shit, but they believe in the belief (google it, an interesting concept) that it’s virtuous to support a government.
It’s like a classic trolley problem. Yes, you’d probably push that lever, but you know of consequences and you just purchased a car and your wife is pregnant. You are caught in this unending circle, you simply do not want to deal with it because it doesn’t affect you. But when it does affect you, it’s always the west: shock therapy of the 90s, current sanctions, debit card ban, visa bans, etc.
Interesting, thank you for your input.
Life in Russia is ridiculously tough if you don’t live in a major city like Moscow or St. Petersburg and don’t have a decent job. People don’t really have time to think about Putin and politics, they have to survive. I have some distant relatives there, man is a truck driver, his wife is a teacher. The guy goes hunting and fishing regularly to have food on the table. Can you imagine hunting to survive in a developed country? Can you imagine thinking about politics in these conditions?
That book was a
warningtriumph of the state over the man
Doesn’t seem to be banned by my ISP.
Anyway, Russian Wikipedia clones to steal budget money are old news.
There even is such a meme as “encyclong”, that’s what the Wikipedia article for vikings turned into after one such cloning with replacing wiki- (no difference between V and W in Russian) with encyclo- .
Really? Good to know it’s ineffective censorship then.
There even is such a meme as “encyclong”, that’s what the Wikipedia article for vikings turned into after one such cloning with replacing wiki- (no difference between V and W in Russian) with encyclo- .
Damn that’s funny.
I don’t think there was an attempt, “bans original” is a hallucination by the author.
lmao the encyclongs raiding the villages again. genius. never heard of that before either. 🤣
Humans are stupid. We should just start over.
Evolution has entered the room
But they wanted to avoid being stupid. We need intelligent design (no not that intelligent design, actual intelligence).
It’s inevitable at this point. Natural evolution is a snail’s pace compared to what we can already do. It’s mostly just ethics that’s stopping us.
Humans are selfish by definition (genes). It would be like rewinding a film and starting over.
The main problem lies within humans’ tendency to put themselves (their family/tribe/culture/etc.) before others’. I know there are fantastic people who don’t, but in the grand scheme of things, humanity will always be too selfish in general. I’d bet that will be our bane (we’re kind of slowly killing ourselves with it already).
I wonder if you’re capable of experiencing the irony of writing that, or are just as stupid as you claim all humans to be. Are you stupid? Do you trust yourself to write things that make sense? Just asking based on your own generalized claim. Unless of course you are a bot, then this comment is a waste of time.
I’d argue for not starting over.
We are working on the start over. Will look like a dead end, somehow.
That’s what AGI will say 😅🤣
Issue reviewed and closed by WorldProgrammer73993224499 with comment: “Rewrite too expensive and complex, closing.”
“Could not stop them from reproducing”
Is it actually banned now? Seriously? I’m not surprised, I wish those terrorists can only access their own, isolated internet
Lol… referring to an entire population of people as terrorists, and also wishing for the country to control the narrative so it’s easier for them to make more terrorists?
Extra weird considering the guy has a Russian name as his username.
Not exclusively Russian though. I’ve seen it as a Ukrainian name, so that’d make sense
Maybe he is a terrorist undercover? Or a Schrödinger’s terrorist
The Ruzzian Federation is lies all the way down.
