There is so much that is unknown. Everything about his true motives will, likely, be speculation forever. But it’s best to let the FBI be the one that does the information reveal.
This kid was 20 though. He might have had psychosis. Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley. This is around the age things like schizophrenia start to present themselves IIRC. This might have been a suicide by cop type situation and he wanted to be famous in the process? Who the hell knows.
What if we had a law that you had to be 21 to buy guns though? That’s in line with “common sense” gun control. I’ve heard Obama say that phrase countless times since Sandy Hook. It could have made this a little different, maybe? It almost certainly would have prevented Uvalde. This is political violence, it’s horrible, I think this will help Trump win. Any left leaning person with half a brain can see that imo. This is also gun violence though. Gun control has to part of the answer to this. Remember who the Brady Bill was named after.
It was reported that the weapon was his father’s.
Sometimes not even a safe will keep everything locked up. With enough time you can saw through most of the commercially available ones.
With enough time you can saw through most of the commercially available ones.
This is technically true but with the amount of time and effort it takes to get through a good portion of the safes I’ve seen, it would honestly be easier to go and steal one from some schmuck with a truck gun or whatever that’s insecurely, uhhh, secured.
There are insurance/registration issues that can address that. Of course there endless possible hypotheticals. I’m personally in favor of some sort of “drivers license” equivalent for guns.
But a 21 year old age limit almost certainly would have prevented Uvalde.
I am highly skeptical of registration because there is a 99.99% certainty that it will be the GOP to use it and strip away weapons from anyone who is not a registered Republican.
Aside from the rather extreme criticisms (genocide stuff), universal registration is a bad idea for everyone because these things keep getting hacked/leaked:
If you are on the registry, it’s an invitation to descrimination or careful/skilled burglary.
If you aren’t on the registry, it’s an invitation for violent crime with little/no resistance.
disagree. if people want to do something, terrible or not, they will find a way illegally.
I’m going to go very basic here and say look at piracy.
Piracy bro lol there’s apples and oranges but that’s skateboards and dinosaurs.
Even with your point being valid there’s tremendous value for society for making somethings as hard as possible.
Do we know in this case whether or not the gun was even kept in a safe?
Last presidential assassination attempt was Hinkley.
That may just be the last one you were aware of, there have been a number of attempts since, several involving guns being fired at the president (or fired at a position the shooter thought he was)
Valid, I’m sure. Hinkley was the last that made anytype of major news, unless I’m mistaken.
Dudes just ignoring the shoes thrown at Bush
Props to the guy for getting shoe #2 off even if W did dodge
who throes a shoe, honestly?
The gun wasn’t his. He stole it from his dad. In a country with more guns than people it’s simply impossible to disarm the bad guys.
Instead maybe we should tackle things like mental illness, lack of critical thinking skills, cognitive dissonance, and the destruction of family values. Also people should have to go through training and be licensed to be allowed on the internet.
Apparently the shooter didn’t have any social media accounts.
Why not both? Tackle guns with more control and better mental health care and education.
Disarming bad guys shouldn’t be the goal. Much like smoking in the UK. You wont stop all the older generationa from smoking but you can make it illegal for all the younger generations and over a longer peeiod of time theres no kne left that smokes.
If you tackle guns now and provide greater control over ownership whilst simultaneously educating younger people you will effectively prevent this sort of crim in the future.
At least thats my view.
False dichotomy.
Every other country the world over is trying to reduce the number of guns around and improve mental health.
I understand the sentiment but I’d be a fan of having an adult age across the board.
If you can be drafted, you should be able to drink, buy guns, rent cars, vote, etc. That should all be at the same age, whatever that age is.
You can legally rent a car at 18, it’s just that no company wants to rent to you.
And be president. How about 35 for the adulthood age?
I mean why stop there? I say 65, no, 95 should be the age everyone is considered an adult.
Couldn’t agree more. Let’s make the adult age a nice even 20 and call it a day.
(Or ideally 25 if you want to be more realistic about it, given the rate that people mature at, but I have a feeling that would be extremely unpopular.)
I think 25 is far too old. We already have a problem of not letting teenagers learn to become an adult. Yes you’re going to make stupid decisions in your early 20s, you’re better off making a variety of stupid decisions while you’re still maturing rather than waiting until you’ve finished before taking actions that have consequences.
Also imagine being a 24 year old who either is expected to live with your parents or get an adult to cosign your lease. Or can’t vote. Or can’t decide to have certain medical procedures like an abortion without parental permission. We’ve become far too comfortable with the idea we need to legally disenfranchise young people further.
Ya the military would go bonkers
So would someone over 25 dating someone younger than 25 be legislated?
I think Romeo and Juliet laws cover instances like this already. If I’m not mistaken its like a 3 year window.
I’m 21, my partner is 27. Now what?
You call your partner a pedo and and break up.
Unironically lol
Yeah, and I generally think it should be 18. Some rights should come sooner such as medical autonomy and Romeo and Juliet style consent, but once you hit the age of adulthood you’re legally an adult
By all reports, his father bought the gun. While I agree with them, your suggestions would have done literally nothing in this situation.
But it’s best to let the FBI be the one that does the information reveal.
Sirhan Sirhan would vehemently disagree.
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Wait, this person shot Trump? How weird, he has the same name as the kid from yesterday who shot a teleprompter.
There’s been conflicting information. Trump’s right ear was bleeding, but the teleprompter was to his left (in front of him, but his head was currently turned right). If it was glass shrapnel, it should be the left of his face that was hit.
Is it possible there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll?
I mean, shrapnel can also ricochet, but I’m not sure what would’ve caused that in the immediate area around him really since there wasn’t really much behind him. The world may never know.
Sigh… Heard about this from my partner last night. I had forgot until just a few minutes ago (special thanks to alcohol for making life bearable). Looks like I have to stay off the internet for the rest of the year.
That’s what I’m starting to think, too… Minus the alcohol bit.
Anyone with that cursed of a face has got to be an incel.
Hey, fuck off? We don’t do this 4chan shit here
He was referring to Trump.
Definitely was not
Woooosh.
I can only imagine how disenfranchised this young man had to feel to be able to do this
Well, when the tone police pipe up with their “but tha both sides [democratic] rhetoric!” - Democrats need to tell them that: yeah, the Republicans need to stop whipping up so much violence.
Dude was just taking out a felon sex offender, GOP dream. It just so happen this one was an ex-president.
He could be a dyed-in-the-wool GOP for six generations with no connections to any Left organization whatever.
He’ll be branded as a woke Antifa with a Black trans GF who was brain washed with peyote by a Native Shaman at a Liberal college.
Article says he was registered republican, but donated $15 to a grassroots democratic group shortly after the capitol riot, so… there you go.
So a patriot?
There’s a political organizer with the same name a few counties over. In 2021 the shooter was 17, and not legally able to donate in PA.
Speaking of finances, I’d like to know how much he lost to trumps scams. I’m just impatient, that will (or won’t) be discovered in the investigation
I had a friend that was a die hard Bernie Sanders fan until Trump became relevant. He turned to a qanon following psycho that pushed away everyone close to him.
The ‘Thomas Crooks’ that made the donation was a 69 year-old democrat with the same first and last name.
With the same street address as the shooter on the ActBlue donation record?
No idea if this is the case here but… people be named after their grandparents.
The full address associated with the donation appears within a February 2021 FEC document (page 189,746) listing all of Act Blue’s donations during the previous month. That street address and ZIP code match the home of the shooter, according to a public records search and photos of police searching the home.
The 69 Thomas Crooks doesn’t live in Bethel Park.
I doubt that will matter to the people who want it to be true. Honestly I feel so sad looking at this kid. Maybe I’m just old, but his high school yearbook pic looks like an elementary schooler to me. He looks so happy in his graduation video. As his father said: “What the hell happened?” I do wonder what will come to light when the discord is accessed.
Source?
The Act Blue entry has a Pittsburgh address (not Bethel Park, where the shooter was from).
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15102 is the zip code for Bethel Park though. There’s no portion of that zip code that goes into Pittsburgh. But we should all probably just wait for the fbi investigation to finish, they’ll have a lot more information I’m sure.
That’s a good and interesting catch, and while I did engage in the discussion do agree that it’s probably best to reserve any sense of certainty until the FBI shares their findings.
Wrong guy. That guy was 50, not 20. He did, supposedly send $15 to a progressive group. Let’s wait for the reports. Lots of rumors and misinformation. Bat-shit conspiracies to follow.
CNN reported that he registered Rep, but made donations to Dem. Of course that was right after it happened so plenty of room for your
I knew it would be some red-hat lunatic. I fucking knew it the second I heard about it. But if course the
RepublicanNazi party are going to hammer out some left wing conspiracy horseshit using their usual tactful strategy. Which is to say scream the lies loudly, consistently, and in lockstep.Which is, of course, is the best tactic to convince gullible idiots of anything. It’s literally the “firebrand preacher” method that has been slaughtering “the other” in times of strife since the dawn of civilization.
I just jumped to this tab from the one about the project that let you type in morse code by opening and closing your laptop and thought you were talking about RedHat Linux for a second and was like “I mean a lot of people don’t like RedHat, but calling them Nazis because they wrote a weird script is a bit extreme”
Sure, at first, they’re just slamming their laptops shut to write morse code… but how long until it’s a cell door that they’re slamming? It’s a slippery slope.
The conspiracy might focus on the “donated to Biden” thing. Ignoring that there’s a guy with the same name who is a left leaning organizer a few counties over, and the donation was in 2021, when the shooter was 17 and not legally able to donate to a candidate.
Wait, there’s an age requirement for donating?
It’s a legally gray area at best. Which is why ACT BLUE, the organization donated to, does not accept donations from people under 18.
He didn’t shoot Trump, he shot towards him.
He hit his ear, so technically he shot Trump.
I understand the injury to his ear was from shrapnel.
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I thought that the current theory was that his ear was cut by a glass shard from a teleprompter.
Has that been disproven?
Even Newsmax was reporting that.
Newsmax is the only place actually reporting on it. All other articles I see talking about it use Newsmax as a source.
Axios briefly offered validation on this theory, and then retracted.
So I guess if you believe this, you would have to first consider Newsmax to be a credible source…
lol:
Crooks tried out for his school’s rifle team but failed to make it because he was a “comically bad shot” and made jokes deemed inappropriate with firearms around, two former classmates told The New York Post.
He missed his target by close to 20ft, Jameson Murphy said.
“He tried out…and was such a comically bad shot he was unable to make the team and left after the first day,” he added.
I’m actually incredibly excited to hear how the Conspiracy peddlers spin this, we’ll study this level of crazy forever.
I have heard some internet talking head turn their “democracts say fascist, make democrats shoot trump” into “democrats say fascist, even make republicans shoot trump”.
“Their rhetoric is convincing even Republicans! They’re clearly evil!”
Ah, a very selective recognition of stochastic terrorism. Except it doesn’t quite fit because calling Repubs fascist isn’t a lie.
It sure is easier to convince Repubs to shoot since they are already brainwashed. Too bad it is hard to direct them at people who deserve it instead of shoppers and nightclub attendees.
No one deserves it.
There are plenty of people who deserve it. Oil barons lying about climate so that they can continue to profit at the expense of millions of lives. Insurance barons lying about healthcare so that they can continue to profit at the expense of everyone’s wellbeing.
Pass better laws. Get better lawyers. Elect better politicians. You only think murder is an option because you suck at all of the sane ways to handle things.
That brings up a good point. Murdoch and everyone brainwashing people with propaganda to the point that they allow Repubs to obstruct all progress so they can profit also deserve it as much as the Repubs obstructing all progress.
This has got to be the dumbest thing I have seen all day. Murdering people should not be an option. Enjoy your visit with the feds.
I was told “he’s from Pennsylvania, he’s registered as a republican, but he’s a democrat. You see, the democrats have been voting as republican so they can vote on the republican ticket for Trumps enemies”
I just can’t. I’m not looking forward to work this week.
“Oh, so there are even less Republicans than reported?”
The super ugly ones have little to lose.
I hope we find something more on why he did it, it will he interesting. He did donate to a democratic candidate though. (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/heres-what-we-know-about-thomas-matthew-crooks-suspected-trump-rally-shooter-2024-07-14/)
I think that’s actually been disproven, it was a 60 something year old pa man with the same first and last name
Do you have anything where I can read up on that?
Not op, but i found this
I wonder if he was driven mad by ActBlue’s spam texts…. That’s shit makes me hostile as hell, and wish that I never paid to support Bernie.
That shit is haunting me in the form of 10-15 texts a day.
And sadly, this won Trump the election…
It’s July. The public has an extremely short attention span. You can’t say that with any amount of certainty two whole days after it happened and with 3.5 months to go.
Don’t give up, continue the fight.
Things are looking a lot better now that it’s come out that the shooter was a registered republican.
John Wilkes Booth. Three names. Succeeded.
Lee Harvey Oswald. Three names. Succeeded.
John Hinkley Jr. Only two names. Failed.
Thomas Matthew Crooks. Three names. Failed.
Proof that we are living in a joke of a timeline. Can I go back and get on the right one please?
John Warnock Hinckley Jr.* Three names and a suffix.
Most Americans have a middle name (sometimes even two or more).
Furthermore murderers succeed all the time and still get described by two names: Richard Rameriez, Ed Gein, David Berkowitz, Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, Carl Panzram, Dennis Rader, Gary Ridgeway, Ed Kemper, Richard Chase, just to name a few. They all killed plenty people and all have middle names but we only say two. John Wayne Gacy OTOH gets all 3.
As to why the middle is sometimes omitted? Your guess is as good as mine, but clearly the deciding factor isn’t success or failure.
After reading the article he only donated to the other group after 2021. Maybe he was a Trump fan until he tried to steal an election then changed his political views.
But either way we have no clue yet of why he did what he did.
Paywalled so can’t see what they say, but didn’t he donate in Jan 2021? He would have been 17, and thus prior to his registration to vote as a Republican.
The timeline’s not incompatible with him being a never trump Republican.
Don’t most Americans have a middle name? Doubt this kid went around being called three names in day to day life…
