Absolutely doing my part, id love to see him fail again & the Republican party get cold feet supporting him next time around as a two time failure
Does a word that is recognized in the dictionary need quotes?
Does a question about whether or not a word recognized by the dictionary needs quotes need to be asked?
Maybe it indicates that that is what those people would have said about voting previously
I wonder if I can find the same kind of article about younger voters and conservative politicians on Twitter or Facebook
Probably, but it’s going to be based on anecdotes. This one actually has polling.
Yes you can
Am I the only one sad because a “serious” publication allows a headline with “meh” instead of apathetic?
I certainly hope you are.
Seriousness is a plague.
It’s in quotes, so I think they made it clear they were quoting something the young people might say.
I don’t know if they’re right that the 18-35s use that word very often, but I think that’s what they’re going for.
30yo here, I usually only use it to answer questions where I’m apathetic about the choices
What are you feeling for dinner? Meh🤷
Do 18 y/o’s actually say that though? I think the journalist might be taking into the trap of trying to be relevant to kids by saying shit we said when we were kids.
You’re not alone, there are hundreds of Lemmy users who hold equally vocal opinions over details irrelevant to the point.
Less meh?
You mean they are showing less voter apathy
You mean they are showing less voter apathy
No, it means they are demonstrating a decrease in emotional detachment from the civil and democratic process of advocating for leadership.
emotional detachment from the civil and democratic process
Now I am curious how you define voter apathy
If you’re complaining about all the people who are now coming on board you should probably just stfu and get on board with the new nominee and face the facts that people calling for Biden to exit were right and you were wrong. That out did matter and it made s huge difference.
I honestly thought it was a bad idea to pivot to Harris but I was happily proven wrong. There’s so much excitement and energy surrounding her. Like a breath of fresh air. Glad to see it.
Woot woot!
She’s not perfect. Like she’s a cop and such.
Still, she’s not raping folks. She’s not grabbing them by the pussy…
It’s bad. But all y’all better get on board. It can be a whole lot worse.
She got behind the “defined the police” movement until she was added to the Biden team and had to back his administration’stances.
A former prosecutor who called out how overfunded police agencies are sounds like someone with pretty decent perspective from both sides. She understands both the value and shortcomings of law enforcement.
I’m getting tired of all this calling Harris a cop. She was a prosecutor but you’re equating her to ACAB.
Prosecutors are how you hold bad cops accountable, by prosecuting them. Do you condemn the prosecutors who put George Floyd’s murderers behind bars? (They were amazing!). Do you condemn the prosecutors who are holding accountable people like the Jan 6 insurrectionists, trump, bannon, giuliani, etc?
Who do you expect to do these things or do you not care if justice is done? I’m sick of this double standard.
I think people get too tied up with this idea of the “perfect” candidate
No candidate was, is, or shall be perfect.
Every politician that you have the opportunity to vote for will have some aspect of their past or their platform that you (or other voters) will disagree with in some capacity. And I fear that this need for perfection in their candidate is fertile ground for others to manipulate people’s attitudes towards not voting for an imperfect but otherwise good candidate.
I think people get too tied up with this idea of the “perfect” candidate
I think this is a strawman, given how much excitement there is for Harris, who is an acceptable compromise candidate.
No they aren’t.
This is all manufactured bullshit by people spending money.
Still trying to find something that sticks, huh?
You guys are paid to keep making responses.
If any normal person reading this can’t acknowledge how fake this support is, I can’t help you. Good luck.
Removed, see the new civility addendum.
This is a refreshing change of pace. Usually I get called a shill for not being on board with Bidenyahu’s genocide.
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Good shill talking point. You guys are trying real hard to paint biden as a bad guy and kamala as a solution to seem more legitimate in your rhetoric.
It’s hilarious watching Trumpists flail because they weren’t prepared for Biden to step down.
It’s sad watching how easily money can
influencecontrol public opinion.Can’t overtly call me a shill, so you’re obliquely calling me a shill.
Keep flailing for some attack that will land. It’s hilarious.
… and the following 4 years the young voters will learn that votes would be forbidden, if they changed anything. :-P
Harris would not be where she is w/o support from the elite, even if she wanted, she cannot change the system.
Anyway, hope she gets elected, so I don’t have to suffer Trump news every single day (like now). It’s worth it for that alone, so go and vote, citizens!
Fundamentally I agree that only we can change the system.
But she doesn’t seem nearly as pro Israel as Biden and Trump. That makes a huge difference. I can hold my nose to vote for a corporate servant, but “less genocide than Trump” wasn’t a compromise I was willing to make.
Wtf… So you would prefer trump over Biden because Biden is too pro Israel in your eyes? What is wrong with you ?
No, I prefer anyone with less than the full throated Israel support that Trump and Biden offered.
You think they are equal?
No
Well, Biden is out but the point still stands. Saying you wouldn’t vote Biden is akin to saying you want trump, you genocide loving asshats.
Good.
Shocker, few can relate to an octogenarian running for office.
When faced with fascism, the relatability of the alternative is important. Gotcha.
That’s how voters are. Democrats love to stomp their feet and say, "But voters should vote the way we tell them to, because we’re right!"
Okay, maybe you are right, but if you want those votes, you have to give people what they want. And one of the things they want is a candidate who can speak.
Lots of people have a problem accepting that what’s “right” and “should happen” doesn’t mean jack shit. Just because your point is correct doesn’t mean others have to acknowledge or give a fuck
Politics is like a pendulum. The further it swings one way the further back the correction is after the results are realized.
I don’t think the US can become a fascist nation. The business oligarchs have too much power and would quickly remove anyone who would be anything more than a puppet to control.
I mean, a core component in fascism is massive overlap between control of the government and the control of private interest, in return for politically backing fascists. Lobbying accompanied by mass privatization, basically. I think Mussolini is most infamous for this, but it also happened with Hitler. So, I dunno if that’s really a limiting factor.
How well have they done controlling donnie?
Also, I keep seeing the kind of politicians we get going further and further right, even though most Americans poll progressive on the issues, so I think money has a lot of power to consistently distort things and put the thumb on the scales such that it favors the radical right.
Unfortunately, in part, it does
It has nothing to do with his age. His brain is on vacation. Bernie Sanders is older than Biden, but if he were the nominee we’d see the same enthusiasm as we’re seeing for Harris.
This is the way. Age is just a number. Until it isn’t. Biden could probably, with all the team around him, finish out a second term. But the demands of looking sharp in situations like debates (which are not really great tests for doing the job, but it’s part of the performative bullshit clown show we put on for the low information voters and they will decide elections in our stupid system) was going to sink any chance of him winning this fall.
And Bernie apparently has all his faculties and has the EQ to understand the plight of many Americans. Counting someone like Bernie out only because of the number of times they went around the sun? Impossibly stupid. And, as I keep emphasizing, more and more likely to become entirely irrelevant as things like age reversal come online.
I wanted Bernie in 2016 but the dem party leadership decided no on him. I think he would have crushed dumpy. I can totally see him showing up dumpy on the debate floor in place of Biden, but I don’t think he should run in 2024. Wish he was the pick in 2020.
Don’t believe the hype, FUCKING VOTE!!! Volunteer to give rides for those that can’t make it to vote otherwise.
On a side note: Just the fucking fact that people would need a ride to vote also shows that
a) Voting is too damn hard in the US. I know that the Republican party has been working (and keeps working) hard on making voting nearly impossible, because less votes is better for them, but seriously: make voting easier.
b) The US is extremely over dependent on cars. In the Netherlands almost nobody would drive their car to go vote, you use a bike. Why? Because the cities in the country are designed for people first, not for cars first. Start modifying your cities to not require cars. Add bicycle roads, actually invest in public transportation, add pedestrian walk ways. The US sucks for human beings, it’s awesome for cars.
Voting is bullshit here, thanks to the republikkklowns. I’m hoping when the VP becomes president, we can remedy some of that.
Your point on the cars. Your example country is 237 times smaller than ours. .42%. We have 342 million people compared to their almost 19 million. What works there won’t work here. It would be great to step up public transportation but that’s not the end all answer.
Nonsense. India’s population is far greater than the US, and they can do better elections than the US. Saying that you can’t do bicycle roads in the US because what works in the Netherlands doesn’t work in bigger countries is, again, nonsense. Mexico is adding bicycle roads. Canada is. Why can’t the US?
Where the hell are you? My city just added a bunch of bike roads, but that’s going to work great in the country isn’t it? Nothing like riding a bike twenty miles to town to grab some groceries and ride back in the rain or snow.
Voting is too damn hard in the US.
It’s too damn hard in certain states.
I’m in California, and am signed up for vote by mail, which anyone can do. Ballot gets mailed to me well in advance, I can take my time filling it out and researching down ballot issues, and plop it in a mailbox when I’m done.
It’s criminal to me that this isn’t the norm.
I live in Colorado, and I feel the same way about this. I love the way voting works here. This should be the norm. It should be REQUIRED at the federal level that this is an offering in every state in the land.
Any state that is not doing this does not care at all about the democratic process, IMHO, given there are outstanding examples of states that do.
There are loads of states that don’t want democracy, they want a theocratic republican dictatorship and if they can’t get that through voting they’ll get it through cheating, just like Jesus taught them.
This is what I did for the 2018 midterms. Some of my friends didn’t really get why I was so adamant, but I dropped their assess at the church and let them vote. It do work.
Believe this hype; You can make a difference.
I lived in Florida in 2000. If I had recruited a couple friends, and I knew people who would have been down, and we drove vans back and forth to the polls all day…
512 votes would have made a difference.
Awesome job!
make it a landslide
That’s the only way that democracy is not in imminent danger.
If fascism is only beaten by the same tight margin that more sane and humane (but still neurotic and cruel) conservatism was for the second presidential election in a row, that means that the second largest party in the richest and most powerful country in the world being a fascist party has become the norm rather than just an unusually persistent aberration.
It became the norm in Vietnam and was confirmed under Reagan. The rest was just waiting for the WW2 survivors who remembered the dogwhistles to die.
This is a problem, but another problem is that today’s politicians have learned to do fascist stuff without a fascist party. Accountability and transparency.
Man I hope so. I remember thinking the Republican party was dead and would have to move towards the center back in 2008 when Obama was elected and had a super majority in the Senate. But rather than pivot, the GOP dug their heels in, obstructed as much as possible, and went even further to the right.
Oh, some good news. Finally!
Kinda. In the two-party first-past-the-post system, they were still not convinced they should vote which could actively make their futures worse. Knowing why that alone wasn’t a motivating factor (unless this is all people who want to vote AGAINST Harris (which I highly doubt)) is definitely worth exploring.
That’s true, but it doesn’t stop this from being good news
They can “meh” all they want, no vote—no voice.
It’s that smug attitude that got us Biden. Democrats win or lose by convincing the meh people that it’s worth their time to go vote. If they don’t go vote trump wins so they literally can’t go meh all they want if Democrats wants to win.
They need to be more invested in their primary, mid-term, and local elections. That is the time for people to decide for better than “meh” choices. Too many people sit out of such a large part of the process. That said, I am also for throwing out first past the post too.
You’re not going to win by saying “the actual election is your obligation”, if you had policies you were interested in you should have tried to get a different person in the primary. The whole reason candidates change after the primary (often diving to the center) is to get votes from people that didn’t vote for them. That applies to primary voters for other candidates and people who don’t make politics a priority in their lives.
People of all ages have a lot to do and very little extra time to devote to things like understanding political issues or learning about candidates. What America needs is “democracy day off.”
I think every Monday should be a demoncracy day: like the Sabbath, we keep it holy and do no work that makes a person or company money. Instead, everyone is required to pick one of a few available activities: meeting with local councils to discuss issues and vote, reading up on laws and candidates and issues (hopefully to report to a council about it), or civic improvements like park cleanup or elder care. This isn’t comprehensive, just trying to give the flavor of it.
Maybe if Americans finally learned how to do actual freedom we could let people choose their democracy day to spread it out through the week. The core idea is simply that we need to mandate and regulate that so many hours per person per month will be devoted exclusively to the project of maintaining our society.
Hell, once a month alone would be super helpful too. Curious about how many people would take advantage though. I get that many people have busy lives, but if we could even get the people who only vote every 4 years to vote in every election possible, that would be a huge uptick in participation.
I could compromise and start with 1 day a month. And yeah, obviously election days are extra democracy days that everyone gets paid time off from work to vote.
What kind of unserious country would force people to work slave’s hours to make ends meet and would then hold elections during the work week at times where millions of poor laborers would be unable to vote? That sounds like a fake democracy.
Pretty sure I just said they need to vote.
Would you like to break down your comment and point to the part where you said that?
No vote, no voice.
If you want to have your voice heard—which they do—you have to vote. Even if the options aren’t amazing, you have to help guide it in the right direction. They right wing loves it when their competition is “meh”
In case you missed it, the “You will take what we give you and pretend to like it” approach failed.
Did anyone else credible run in this primary or submit their names to the convention for nomination? Why do you think no one submitted their names?
And yet, we were on track to losing until the party listened to people who were upset at the shit choice we had before us.
I’m glad your shit candidate stepped down and we got a better one.
Well, Biden got elected so I’ll say it didn’t fail. What we need is a better voting system, and until that happens we have to understand that’s the world we live in, and work with what we’ve got.
This election cycle has been like “no, you’re not getting a real primary, vote as your told and like it.”
Until it became so clear that it was a losing strategy that even Democrats abandoned it.
“No vote no voice” implies that voters have a voice. Until Biden stepped down, they functionally didn’t.
You may have liked him, but I’m glad we have someone who stands a chance of winning instead of the guy party leadership wants.
The meh people are the ones doing this.
It helps if your two choices for president aren’t Father Time and the Orange Rage Demon.
My father eloquently described it as a battle between “a zombie who doesn’t know what room he’s in and the reincarnation of Zhirinovsky”.
Father Time and the Orange Rage Demon sounds like a great B-movie, though 😄
Start casting. Troma films will have a script by this afternoon.
panics and casts his cats in the lead roles
Emily and Charlotte weren’t thrilled either…
I’m pretty happy with my casting for the rest of the Republican party, though:
Or some bosses in Dark Souls.
You dropped your p
