So they got all that money from Uncle Sam’s CHIPS Act only to lay off 10,000 employees and make themselves “lean”. Govt funded unemployment.
Somebody should make a Borat Meme with AMD and Intel “Big Success!”
Done.
Thank you kind sir!
Anyone else still beliving capitalism will do R&D willingly? Even most recent and hyped(not without reason) development - powervia - came from institute from former soviet bloc.
So they’re only keeping marketing?
I just sat through a “town hall” at a former GSK now Haleon site and a site director assured people that volume was coming back through nothing but the power of marketing alone. Apparently 8 dollar tubes of toothpaste are non sellers in a tight market. Who knew.
This sort of thing is increasingly making TSMC a monopoly as a fab. Due to the extreme economies of scale, fabbing looks like something that is hard to do well under the capitalist model. Perhaps a good time for some of the larger nations of the world to start publicly owned fabs (that publish their research instead of hoarding it) instead of ending up with the whole world reliant on one company that will eventually be able to name its price.
After all this time, AMD finally won. They made a hell of a comeback too. GG guys.
they fired the guy that single handedly managed meshcommander https://github.com/Ylianst/MeshCommander
it was a tool to remotely control intel vpro machines, intel’s own tool is not as good as what the old ex-employee did in his free time
That’s not surprising if you know how software products nowadays are planned and built in bigger companies.
It’s harder to do it with 50 people than with 5.
There’s no corporate death penalty, but there is corporate death from alcoholism, coke overdose and syphilis.
I mean, you do a TRAFU and instead of firing those logically responsible for it you fire your actual troops.
This basically means they failed to find scapegoats inside the company who wouldn’t be management themselves.
Wow.
I feel like they have the farm bet on Falcon Shores and (to a lesser extend) the Xe line now, and of course the foundry.
It’d be great if the bad rumors and delays would stop… yeah…
Probably just keeping the staff needed to replace all the 13th and 14th gen CPUs.
I really hope they plan on fixing the problems with those generations. 🤞
They aren’t fixing shit since the problem is unfixable
The problem is fixable in microcode -if- it hasn’t already caused damage to the CPU. Most CPUs are fucked.
The micro code fix is to throttle the CPU. It’s only kind of a fix.
And the “fix” (big foam helmet) is not even out yet. They don’t have the chips to replace them all right now and are still selling more. You can help yourself by setting the clock speed (no boost) yourself.
Oh and after the foam helmet gets put on they will still sell these using the old higher specs.
It sounds like a workaround, not a fix. And it’s not clear that it stops the processor degradation, rather than just slowing it.
There’s no such thing as stopping processor degradation, it’s just that it usually takes so long that nobody cares anymore.
I suppose I should’ve phrased it as, compensating. Seeing as they are still being sold.
American companies don’t compensate unless legally obligated.
And then they send you a $10 Uber Eats card.
They just want you to wat out of their hand so you don’t have a standing to sue.
Seems like a great time to buy AMD, ARM and QUAL
Only if you have conviction. Buying tech in the face of recession fears is one thing, but buying tech that supplies hardware to tech is another. It’ll probably sound like a whip cracking if the AI frenzy ever collapses hard
ARM and Qualcomm aren’t really involved with AI, and AI only makes up 15-20% of AMD’s revenue. Nvidia the one to watch out for, an entire 85% of their revenue is just AI and Mellanox. The Nvidia pump has been insane.
Nvidia’s AI gambit is at least diversified to different kinds of AI. Even if (or probably when) LLM AI taps out, Nvidia will likely also be behind the AI tech that takes its place.
The elephant in the room is the semiconductor ETF trade. People are actively trading ETFs more than actual tickers (SOXL is routinely one of the highest volume tickers day in and day out, and it’s been like this for a couple years now). Used to be that NVDA and AMD correlated with crypto because people would flip them on that basis, but not really the case anymore due to all that but I digress - if NVDA tanks, it’s really overweight in all these ETFs, ETFs tank, managers dump every holding in the ETF, and a bunch of non-AI semi stocks will wind up getting walloped about as hard
That’s true, Nvidia’s fall will probably crash the whole market. SOXL tickers don’t trade in unison though, see how much Intel fell in the premarket without affecting other stocks. Of course, Intel is a tenth of the size of Nvidia.
Yeah, the tail could definitely wag the dog. NVDA is now in the top 3 holdings of both SPY and QQQ, so if something like 2 Metas or 1 Microsoft started paring back and skipped on a product cycle, Nvidia’s forward metrics would suddenly be garbage, and between those couple companies, suddenly >15% of market is tanking and dragging entire sectors along for a wild ride
You know they pocket those subsidies when this happens.
They only made 50 billion dollars of profit last year. Won’t anybody think of the shareholders
Right to the pockets of the least useful in the company - the executives.
I’ll have you know they deserve that money for doing a job no one else wants! Talking to other executives! /s
That’s…wait. That’s actually a decent point. Imagine being around the scummiest, fakest people in the world 24/7. I couldn’t deal with it.
For a couple hundred million a year i think i could deal with it. For like, one year, and then retire.
And here’s where I say - what does an executive actually do? And someone will inevitably say something asinine about “risk” and “game changing decisions” and “meeting with investors.”
I’d rather they try and put a random janitor in the CEO seat for a year and see what happens.
Couldn’t be any worse than the current shit stain.
If you watch these companies they all want to be tech giants when they have no reason to do so. They hire tech execs from the giants thinking they’ll make some great business hybrid withithe help of the tech execs,but you know what? Sometimes a brick is just a brick.
Two things happen, the tech execs lead them on a wild goose chase since they have no idea how to function in a different industry and people get fired, or the CEO is scared and ignores the suggestions to follow the same thing every other company does and people get fired
It’s always the boot lickers saying they. CEO used to be THE guy in charge. It used to be someone who knew the company and worked their way up. McDonnell Douglas/Boeing used to have engineers in charge. Same with GE. Then Jack Welch came along and destroyed that entire ideology.
He was the one that opened the door to late stage capitalism, at least in the USA. It’s hilarious how these companies piece meal themselves off acting like they did something for short term gain. Meanwhile, the Japanese, Chinese, and European companies are happy to buy all this knowledge as they are still playing the long game rather than the MBA clown show.
And here’s where I say - what does an executive actually do?
I just see them as a figure head for the people really in charge. We are now focused on dumb ass CEO decisions or announcements instead of the board voting to ship jobs overseas or something else terrible.
what does an executive actually do?
According to conservatives, they trickle all over the rest of us. Isn’t that nice of them?
I’m still waiting - mouth wide open, head and hands towards heaven (where it comes from), for the trickle of capitalism to run down my face and enter my mouth.
The risk bit is self-evidently bullshit. Executives are the last to suffer when things go wrong. They can tank the whole company through greed and incompetence, and still collect their salaries of millions plus even bigger bonuses, before walking into a similar position somewhere else. It’s the employees that shoulder the risk.
As a 30-year-old trying to break out into a tech career, this is incredibly disheartening.
Really difficult to not give up all hope with headlines like these. How to believe in potentials for opportunities with these barrages of bad news? Where is the hope–Any silver linings at all?Get 5 remote work jobs and keep the ones that don’t suck.
Intel is a failing company and has been for years, it has nothing to do with the tech industry. They failed to invest in chip fabrication, and their designs are soundly beaten by AMD and Nvidia. Look at AMD and Nvidia, they’re making record profits and hiring.
Also, the tech industry is a huge place, there are plenty of opportunities outside of the hardware niche that Intel operates in. I will admit though that the current interest rates and risk of recession does make it harder for junior programmers.
They are doubling down on that mistake it would seem. Article says most of their losses last month were from their foundry division. I realize I’m just a random person on the ground, but shit like this really has me shaking my head. For a company like Intel foundry is absolutely essential to their business. If they can’t build the chips, build them better, faster, smaller, they can’t compete. It’s like if Airbus said they are firing everybody in their airplane division to focus on important things. What the hell, the airplane is the important thing. Same thing with Intel.
Seems like a great time to buy stock in AMD.
Yup. A better simile is Boeing. Quality don’t matter if cutting it makes number go up. Oops.
John Deere smiles and waves from the sidelines.
Well it’s cannibalizing the company. You’re absolutely right about Boeing.
HP was another example. Fire all the engineers and R&D types, rush whatever’s already in the pipeline into production. You get a couple of fantastic quarters because you have new products without the R&D costs. But then you run out of new products in the pipeline and everything goes to shit because you killed your golden goose.
I will always say, “Fuck Carly Fiorina” for ruining the finest company in the engineering world.
Absolutely. What she did to HP was almost criminal.
HP, Boeing, Intel (twice now)…
You like tech? You like wiring up and programming state-of-the-art commercial automation, access control, and cctv systems? You like to move around as well and work with your hands and tools, all on the same job? Become an electronic security technician. Been doing it for 20 years, it’s great, and always hiring, almost never firing, unless you get caught smoking meth or something.
Nothing wrong with a more blue-collar style job.
Similar job is power grid installation. Those are in high demand, and you get yourself a passport and you can make even more setting up transformers in weird places in the world after a few years experience.
This sounds beyond ideal–I don’t know if you’re trolling, because I have to imagine this line of work is never in demand at all, but hoping for interviews soon, and I can’t thank you enough even if you’re joking
As the OP said, get a job outside of tech.
The biggest research hospitals employ electronic engineers, software engineers, chemical engineers, physicists, statisticians, network engineers, sysdamins, etc.
Insurance companies? Auto industry? Power companies, pharmaceuticals, local governments etc. The best part about being a STEM is that you have a place everywhere. You just gotta be willing to bend your expectations until you find something that fits you.
But how do I find those jobs? When I search in Indeed all I get are tech companies or MSP’s. I’m currently working as a sysadmin for a Mom & Pop company and are severely underpaid.
Find something middle sized. I work in a bakery, around 200 employees. I do some industrial automation, in house IT support and I ended up writing ERP for the joint. I think I could get 20 to 30 percent more at a larger company but here I do what I want and not what I’m told to.
My dude, if you lived in the right city, could pass a drug screen, and are not a moron, could get you an interview for a job installing power grid equipment in a week. With overtime take home pay is usually around 80k first year, after that it depends on how much you want to work.
We have blue collar guys making 250k+ a year. Granted they are away from their home most of the time, but most of them are younger dudes with no family.
What kind of tech are you trying to get into?
Apply to non-tech companies. There ate many companies who aren’t in the tech sector that relies on in-house tech.
Prepping for all those spicy class action lawsuits coming their way.
You’re probably right, the generation 13&14 will be riddled with lawsuits.
I’m rather OOTL with intel. Mind giving me a short summary? What’d they do this time?
A bug or whatever in their 13’th and 14’th gen CPU’s makes them slowly but permanently degrade and cause crashes. Intel have not been handling the issue as you would hope since the discovery. Denying, downplaying, refusing a recall, refusing extended warranties, the lot. Now the lawsuits are cooking.
Ooo spicy… I’ll have to keep an eye on that.
Thanks!
They sold fairy high end processors. They took like 3 months to fix the issue. Processors that were damaged will remain damaged. I think Intel will replace them though.
This saga has moved fast so I don’t blame you, just an FYI Intel has issued a statement saying the microcode update “will” fix all affected CPUs (it won’t, because the damage is physical) and will not be issuing a recall.
We are witnessing one of the more obvious end-game states of capitalism. Intel continues to state they don’t give a single shit about this issue, and will not do anything about it.
The corporate nihilism will continue until the collapse. More and more companies will act like this because why does anything matter when we can profit more today?
What’s the alternative to Intel for a home PC? After getting caught up on this, I won’t be ever buying one again.
AMD
AMD. Maybe Qualcomm in the near future. AMD Ryzen chips are pretty damn good.
Oh man I would love a Snapdragon 8 Gen3 USFF or STB.
I want an arm laptop for work. I almost always use web apps or SSH or RDP. I don’t need or want a lot of power in my laptop, but fanless and big battery life sounds great.
Good to know. Probably have another four years on my PC before it heads out to pasture.
Not sure a short summary will cut it.
They had no competition for a long period and ended up with an accountant CEO that caused their R&D to stagnate massively. They had a ton of struggling and failing to deliver all in most areas, and they wombled about releasing CPU generations with ~4% performance uplifts, probably saving a few bucks in the process.
AMD turned back up again with Ryzen and Epyc models that were pretty good and and an impressive pace of improvement ( like ~14% generational uplifts ) that caused them such a fright that they figured out they had to ditch the accountant.
Pat Gelsinger was asked to step up as CEO and fix that mess. They axed some obvious defective folks in their structure and rushed about to release 12th generation products with decent gains by cranking the power levels of the CPUs to absurd levels, this was risky and it kind of looks like they are being bit with it now.
Server CPU sales are way down because they are just plain uncompetitive. They have missed out on the chunk of money they could have got from the AI bubble because they never had a good GPU architecture they could leverage over to use. They have been shutting down unprofitable and troublesome divisions like the Optane storage and NUC divisions to try and save money, but they are in a bad way.
The class actions mentioned elsewhere in the thread are probably coming because the rush to make incremental improvements to 13th generation and 14th generation CPU’s resulted in issues with power levels and other problems that seem to be causing those CPU’s to crash and sometimes fail altogether.
A case study for the generations
What is it with accountants being chosen as CEO? Like if you were a competent accountant, you should be CFO, and the CEO is someone who knows what the fuck the company sells and how it profits, which I can guarantee you has never been a competent accountant.
It’s a little like the sociopath hospital boards, having more billing staff than doctors and nurses. Making a massive mistake for quick profit and leaving it for the next guy to cleanup lawsuits. A little like robocall centers, okay with fleecing the poor as long as they only have to pay roughly 20% in damages, close shop and create a new call center all over again and rinse and repeat.
I always like this answer by Steve Jobs on the topic (here it’s xerox, but this also fits Intel pretty well).
This video is perfectly applicable, the rot that sets in in a large company when you have no competition to counteract it is exactly what has happened here.
It’s because the big investors only give a fuck about number go up. Accountants show number go up. All current large investors also seem to have a complete inability to look more than 1-2 quarters in advance, at most. So if number go down, instead must force change to make number go up, but again only 1-2 quarters to make it happen. If number stay down, abandon and go elsewhere.
Institutional investors, the ones with billions in assets controlled, and the real power in this world, don’t give a shit if the company is actually successful, or about sustainability, or anything other than continuous profits at any expense. And that’s how they perceive the accountants.
Number not going up now.
Number not go up?
Abandon ship to the next company where accountant promises number go up.
Don’t forget the potential oxidation issues.
Yeah /u/deadbeef@lemmy.nz kind of understated the problem. They were seeing insane failure rates in data centers like 50%. At this point, any 13th or 14th gen CPU that has experienced any crash or instability should be considered faulty unless you know the cause of the crash is from something else. This isn’t just me saying this, mainstream outlets like Gamers Nexus are saying it.
If you’re a consumer and have one of those CPUs a replacement is probably in your future. And I wonder if Intel even has stock to replace that many at once…
I can’t think of anything like this ever happening on this scale before in computing history.
Lest we forget
There’s probably a huge story behind why Intel replaced their fab chief just days after it was revealed that he okayed sending out oxidized chips.
IIRC they sold and shipped 2 generations of CPUs that were essentially defective and unrepairable.
The money needs to return to the government. Some wealthy fucks are lining their pockets.
So, buying opportunity?
Would be awesome if DARPA bought them…
“Here is more evidence that our system is fundamentally broken and doesn’t serve the people who make it run anymore”
You: “How can I profit from this?”
You sound like a CEO in the making.
I mean, stock prices do go up after stuff like this. It’s a reliable way to profit.
The system sucks, but this is literally how rich people turn money into more money, while we complain we don’t have enough.
I may be a socialist, but I live in a capitalist dystopia, so sometimes I just exploit the system that exists instead of constantly taking the idealistic high road and getting kicked in the teeth for it.
Even Marx dabbled in the equities markets.
People seem to think having an economic philosophy is the same as having a moral philosophy. Absolutely not. If you look at a system and conclude “This is dysfunctional, it’s leaking money everywhere” that doesn’t preclude you from getting a sponge and mopping some of that money up.
Man I really should’ve bought some Intel instead of Nvidia.
Wait, their stock is 30% down today, what happened?
The entire stock market is a casino for rich people and the rest of us are just hoping we can scratch a retirement out of it?
Yeah, I guess.
