Beautifully stated. Summer Lee rocks.
lived in her district in PA, voted for her twice
she’s never done anything with power, all she does is campaign and go on the news
That’s all governing is now though. Prostrate yourself to gather up as much money so you can buy your next election and smuggle enough away to enrich yourself or at least pay for all the nice things you want and then provide sound bites to keep your political party relevant while you rely on the already existing infrastructure that you pray doesn’t deteriorate further while you are in office so that you don’t have to do anything.
The problem is that it’s all been in place for so long that we aren’t going to do anything if it costs money or effort and the elder elites of the party set the standard of money being the most important metric for your contributions to the government and party that its all you can focus on.
We are back to positions being mostly an indicator of money and family conmections which is why young power hungry men like the Republican party more simply because the threshold is lowered if you are engrained enough in their political zeitgeist.
The empire is receeding but those in power don’t care as long as they get to enjoy the fruit of their parents labor just a little bit longer.
Why the fuck is Pelosi still a voice that anyone in the goddamn party listens to? She’s been doing nothing but fucking up since she entered Congress. She’s literally almost single-handedly responsible for the absolute deterioration of the Democratic party our government. The only one who outstrips her in that department is Harry Reid.
Biden didn’t step aside until she asked him too, so she’s at least done one good thing.
who’s gonna ask her?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
healthcare pls
People want progressive ideals as policy, but losing the messaging war for 4 decades has taken its toll.
You cannot associate these policies with an ideology. Just call it common sense. Or the Fuck Billionaires Agenda. Whatever.
You can’t undo decades of media programming by telling people that they would all agree with you if they just paid closer attention. Losing strategy.
They aren’t even trying to win the messaging war. Instead of pointing out how unbelievably horrible the republican plan of deporting 20 million undocumented migrants, they capitulated and moved further right on immigration.
People do like the policies though. Even republicans. You might be the one not paying attention.
That’s what they said, but suggested calling it something other than what it is to appeal to the American public.
Maybe you night not be the one to paying attention.
I thought Pelosi was all about old farts getting out of the way and leaving room for the next generations.
She IS an old fart refusing to get out of the way even though she has (in name only) relinquished control tp one of the 5 or fewer Democrats in Congress who exhibit even more disdain for the Left than she does herself.
She’s older than Bernie ffs!
Bernie who, probably partly because he was an elite athlete in his youth and still goes for a run every day, is roughly a decade or two sharper than most people around his age, including Pelosi.
I think Pelosi is still sharp, she’s just out of touch. Could happen to people of any age, but decades in politics is not doing any favours.
Bernie is very much not out of touch.
I think Pelosi is still sharp, she’s just out of touch
Good point. I accidentally conflated the two related but very much distinct concepts 😁
The center that’s been pulled to the right of Reagan? Is it that center she means?
If so, she is in fact claiming Harris should govern with Republican policies.
I hope America responds with a roaring NO to that.Yeah we did, that’s why Hillary lost. That’s why Biden was so unappealing.
If I were American, I’d drag everyone I know to a voting booth to vote for Harris.
I really hope she wins, both for America and the rest of the world.
- Americans repeatedly respond to authenticity, even if that authenticity is lies (Trump)
- An old white self-avowed Democratic Socialist independent from Vermont overtook a decades-old Third Way household name in under a year, outperforming her in head-to-head polling against Trump.
- Democrats repeatedly water down their rhetoric to appeal to ignorance in the middle-ground
- Said middle-ground is defined by right-wing extremist rhetoric and a shifting of the Overton Window
- Said policies then fail because they watered-down the rocket-fuel too much and it never broke orbit.
- Democrats shocked when grassroots coalition that is the backbone of the party and GOTV movement unenthused.
- Democratic establishment shocked when they lose.
The day Democrats grow a backbone and double-down on progressive policy because it actually works instead of appealing to ignorance is the day Democrats never lose again.
There are some good signs in the party they’re moving away from this; notably ignoring a lot of the advice from Hillary Clinton strategists (thank fuck), while also promoting progressive voices on the national stage such as at the convention — AOC, Bernie, Warren speeches. Still, there are remnants of the old that need to go.
ignoring a lot of the advice from Hillary Clinton strategists (thank fuck)
idk. They seem to be running on the “if you don’t vote dems you hate black people” shtick that didn’t work in 2016. Lemmy users are eating it up though.
Where are they doing that?
The response Harris made to the protestors at the DNC is the best example I can think of. I’m probably exaggerating how much the Harris campaign is relying on this strategy because lemmy is inundated with “DO YOU WANT TRUMP TO WIN???” commenters,
She responded to the protesters and said if you don’t vote you hate blacks? Can you link me to that quote!?
I specifically recall her responding to protesters, “if you want trump to win, then keep talking” at a rally in Michigan. It’s not “hate blacks” but it has the same effect as what Hilary was doing. It’s not a forthcoming approach to tell voters they have to vote for you vs actually doing the legwork and coming up with policy to make them want to vote for you.
It’s really frustrating because it’s obvious the administration has its hands tied but it can’t come out and outright say it, and she’s also absolutely 100% correct in that Trump would just laugh at protesters, mock them, and tell his rally to beat them up.
I remember during the Democratic primaries these more scorched-earth pro-Palestinian protesters (I’m pro-Palestinian; just not to the point I’m shooting myself and them in the foot) would say along the lines, "Well this is the primaries and the time to advance change and protest — and I at least respect that. After the Democrat is locked in, then of course it’s a binary choice, and Trump is obviously far, far worse for Palestinians. So it comes down to 1) what’s more likely, that these protests change official policy ahead of polling, or 2) it leads to wedge-driving and disunity among the Democratic banner, handing the election to the far-worse opponent? Harris and I believe the latter is more likely, hence saying something along those lines.
I mean Jesus, they’re actively working on a permanent ceasefire while Trump is calling Bibi to undermine it. So why aren’t protesters protesting Trump rallies?
This can be shortened to:
Democrats have learned to talk like arguing traders on a ME bazaar, with that “munnat” tone, but haven’t yet learned to actually bargain like people do in such situations.
The issue is, I’m not sure this is correct. You are presenting Democrats as acting in your interest, just dumb.
I seriously doubt there are people dumber than you and me anywhere close to their leadership. But assuming that they are acting in your interest is unsubstantiated.
Also I hope this
is the day Democrats never lose again.
doesn’t mean you want a single-party system.
Soviet newspaper quotes of the kind “our single-party democracy is showing itself to be more efficient than their useless oscillations between Democrats and Republicans” are supposed to be a joke.
I think of it more like Republicans disintegrate. Democrats become the conservative party, ranked choice passes and we get coalitions with numerous third parties.
Why would Democrats pass ranked choice when they don’t have competition under existing system?
Has anyone ever yielded power voluntarily?
OK, sometimes very illuminated and virtuous souls do that. Just in case, these are not on the ballot.
IDK if they are shocked at the results. There’s a calculation that needs to be made between convincing voters you have their back, while convincing donors that you have theirs, when those groups have irreconcilable differences of material interest. A cynic would say that a politicians job is to convince the voter base and the donor base that you’ll protect each from the other.
That is a well spoken summery of the current issue with our political system. Thank you for taking the time to write that up and share it.
It is sometimes hard to have faith in the future when we are so inundated with our current issues. To cultivate hope in the future it is key to remember that time marches on and the older generations will always be replaced by a younger generation. I believe if we keep our democracy alive for long enough we do have the potential as a society to right many wrongs that the younger generations have lived under for the past 50 years and if we stay on target with our wants and needs and can put empathy and compassion for our neighbors as a core belief then it is only a matter of time before we get elected representatives in power to start affecting change.
I believe we, as a people, can do better for our future generations and that is why we all must do our civic duty and vote, not just for president but in our local elections, no matter how small, and every election above that. We have the power to change all this and I believe we will in time. It won’t be overnight but it can be within our lifetimes. Small steps matter because right now we aren’t capable of making huge steps but when the big steps forward become attainable we are prepared as a society to take those steps.
Thank you again for your post, stay strong and motivated and we can do this. Remember this isn’t just about you and me but us as a country, as a species and our responsibility to the future generations that will come after us. We can right our past mistakes and keep hope for then future alive. We have a greater voice now than we realize and are already electing people into positions of power to affect this change. We aren’t in this alone but in this together; not me, Us!
Aw thanks — and wonderfully said, yourself! Indeed despite everything along with much work to do, I feel quite optimistic. It feels as though we’re beginning to rip band-aids off that were placed there decades ago and I’m all for it. I should also note that I come from a rural Republican blue-collar family who flipped under Bush’s first term… So people can certainly change and I know I can get quite feisty with my rhetoric toward conservatives these days but sometimes it pays to extend an olive branch for some of those still reachable.
VP candidates can appear as progressive as they want because at the end of the day they don’t really have that much power. I won’t believe any real shift is happening towards progressives till we get a presidential candidate talking about more progressive policies. Until then it’s mostly them trying to pay lip service to progressive policies while chasing the moderate as the Republicans continue to drag the country to the right. If the Democrats really wanted to get more votes they would stop chasing moderates and try to activate disaffected voters who don’t care about voting because from their perspective both parties don’t really care about helping them. But then that would get in the way of the donors wants or stop politicians from being able to make lots of money from trading stocks and they would rather lose than give up that.
Yes neoliberals, let’s continue to govern from the center. Because that’s worked so well the last forty years as the right has moved the Overton window to the point where we no longer have a left wing party.
I think it’s worth mentioning again that all this hope and excitement comes with the first candidates that aren’t Boomers.
I truly see neoliberals as on the right these days.
They want us to be slaves.
The Dems have had control of all 3 House of Reps, Senate, and Presidency for 6 years out of the last 44 years. And you wonder why they’re forced to compromise?
Every time they lose (like they’ve lost for 38 years out of the 44 years), they are forced to compromise and they go to the center to find voters. You want them to not go to the center? Then they need to win first.
I’m happy to see your Ctrl, C, and P buttons are in fine working condition. Do you have a valid argument though?
You mean V, you can’t even get your attacks right.
Argument is valid and was given. And since you were oh so polite, do you have a valid counter, or do you only have attacks?
I may or may not reply since you already showed who you are. More attacks = no reply.
Let’s win elections by just all becoming republicans and letting the billionaires win! That’s what compromise looks like to these people.
Obama was a boomer?
Generations aren’t written in stone, but the Boomers are generally defined as 1946-1964 and Obama was 1961. So younger Boomer.
Now “boomer” just means old person. Gen Z are happy to refer to older millenials and younger Gen X as boomers, because why bother educating yourself.
because language evolves, and now the word “boomer” is more useful as a word to describe old people with a specific mindset rather than as a word for people born in a specific lapse of time
I think the “specific mindset” is also one that is out of touch with every younger generation.
yea, that mindset of being out of touch and thinking your generation was the last good one, that kinda mindset
(at least that’s how i see it)
They’re all shit lol. But the actual boomer generation were definitely some of the worst of the worst. Benefiting in ways most can’t even comprehend from the generations that came before them. Eagerly gobbling it all up. Acting like they earned it . But then leaving none for those that came after and just generally souring things on every possible measure. I’m doing the things their parents grandparents Etc fought for.
There are always exceptions. Possibly as I’m even an exception to my own generation. But there are definitely some rules that can be broadly applied.
Boomer generation; 1946 - 1964…
…Obama, born 1961.
So yes, technically he was a Boomer.
Harris 1964. So she’s also a boomer.
But Biden is not a boomer. Born 1942, he’s part of the silent generation. He’s the first non-boomer since Bush senior.
Also, three of the last five presidents were born in 1946 - Bush, Clinton, and Trump. Annus horribilis.
Damn. I thought he was like 20 years younger.
He was! 20 years ago.
Man fuck Pelosi. She’s just worried about being unable to insider-trade her privileged position to wealth. If the play’s not broken, why would they change a damn thing. Fuck these ghouls!
fuck all these liberals. They are the reason we have devolved into a corporatocracy. They are the reason Trump won
no more throwing enough money at homeless housing to LITERALLY SEND EACH TO COLLEGE, yet still having the homelessness rate rise…
Liberals want more bandaids that make their masters rich Progressives want to tackle root causes once and for all
When Harris wins that is not the end of our struggle. We need to push her to be progressive and actually enact the will of the people.
Judging by her speech as the DNC I doubt she’s gonna do anything progressive outside of the price controls she mentioned. All the talk about the border and making sure America has the most lethal military and countering Iran took all my enthusiasm for Harris away.
How about they shut they all shut the fuck up and let them run the campaign themselves
Fuck you Pelosi.
Pelosi is now irrelevant since she retired and just wants people to listen to her like the rest of the boomers.
She served her purpose by getting Biden to drop out. But now she can go away.
She is technically Silent Generation. She’s too old to be a Boomer, just like Biden.
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Pelosi is STILL against stock buying bans for Congress because the “free market is for everyone”, meanwhile they get to decide who participates in said free market with advanced warning on news
The headline completely mischaracterized what the article (and Lee) said.
Lee is clearly sticking pretty close to the party line, but still emphasizing the appeal of progressive policies. “I have to disagree a bit” is just not the same as saying Nancy Pelosi is wrong.
The article said:
Lee somewhat cautiously said she disagrees “a bit” and that “anecdotal evidence” from around the country indicate it’s better to run “to” not “from progressive ideals.”
And Lee herself said:
I have to disagree a bit. I think that we have data, we have polling, we have anecdotal evidence from American – Americans all over the country, but especially out in Pennsylvania, in a swing state, where we’re not actually asking for our – our candidates to run away from progressive ideals. We’re asking them for – for them to run to them.
Agreed. Her comments were more nuanced than that. And I think what she said was correct. These policies might better come down to how they are framed if we want them to succeed.
