• kitnaht@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Who cares? They’re dead. And we’re using the people that we were fighting for as an agent of genocide against Palestinians. Nothing is sacred.

    Don’t mistake this as an argument for Trump in some way. In my opinion he should be strung up, but I don’t respect the rich using the masses as cannon-fodder either.

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      Who cares?

      Republicans tend to, which in this case could help cement a nasty loss for him via voter apathy

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        Good point. I usually look at this from the lens of “holy fucking shit nobody will shut up about him and I’m seriously overloaded” – This, I think might be better framing :D

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      ok your thesis is who cares, they’re dead. The cemetery is not for the deceased, it’s for the living. It’s a living monument. People, alive people, go there to grieve their recently deceased loved ones, and as it calcifies through time it is a testament to the number of people who sacrificed their lives even in one exceptionally specific way. For the living that you claim to care about.

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      Violating women ✔️ Violating minorities ✔️ Violating lgbtq+ ✔️ Violating third world countries ✔️ ✅️ Violating federal and state laws ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ Being a treasonous pos while peddling Russian propaganda and their… checks notes… beans? ✔️ x’s 10

      Violating deceased American war heros graves??? Check ✔️ 😕

      Violating the oval office worse that bill and Monica ✔️

      Not to mention the many 70 something election/ fraud/ real estate crimes he has committed.

      What’s next? Is trump gonna break into my house and violate me? Unfortunately he already has, he’s violated every single us citizen by infringing upon our rights as Americans and I’ll be dammed if I’m gonna let this orange cunt into my house again, bc that’s what happens if he wins, we are allowing djt into our homes, our schools, our hospitals and beyond.

      My fellow dems, arm yourself, be prepared for the worst

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        arm yourself

        Not good enough. You have to practice safety, learn the laws, learn your weapon, put a couple thousand rounds downrange, all that. But thank you for your support, I’m right with ya.

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        Don’t forget that he excels at cheating on wives, bankrupting businesses, and stealing money from cancer charities (among other notable achievements)

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        And the dead. Remember when he buried his ex wife at his golf club so it would qualify as a cemetery and get tax exempt status.

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        Or anyone who isn’t him. I think he complains that the people who changes his diaper are too rough on him.

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    His cultists don’t give a fuck. They don’t give a fuck about anything. He didn’t lose any votes here

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    And he fucking does not care about it. According to him, the people buried there are “losers”, in case you have forgotten.

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    Pretty sure if he hasn’t been busted for the classified documents thing, he’s getting off scot-free for this one too.

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      This is more about some number of MAGAts suddenly going “wait a moment”. This is the thing that finally broke through for many.

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      I think the main impact will be to convince a modest but significant slice of voters to not vote for him.

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      Also exposed our perception capabilities by distribution of imagery in it’s native resolution.

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    And when you’re a maga they’ll let you do it. Thumbs up in the graveyard, insurrection in the Capitol, you can do anything.

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      No shit, right? It’s not just Trump. There’s a whole lotta people there. Completely free from consequences, every single one.

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    The media for the last right years should just be running a weekly column called “This time Trump went too far and now his supporters will turn on him” and then they can just recap Trump’s actions from the previous week. Meanwhile his poll numbers will remain exactly the same as always.

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      The only truth Trump ever told was when he said he could shoot a civilian on Times Square and not lose any voters.

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      Thats assuming the media (especially the broadcast media…) reports on what he did truthfully and with the full details.

      Which they rarely, if ever, do.

      because they have a vested financial and ratings based interest in the chaos he creates, because it drives ratings and enriches them.

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        This… the media is made up of businesses with shareholders. They do and say what is best for those shareholders. Not what is best for us, or the country, or the planet, or anything else. Expecting them to do otherwise in the system they exist in is delusional.

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          and you can blame the elimination of the fairness doctrine for the bulk of that.

          Because, like everything, it sucks because the Republicans fucked it up so they could manipulate it to their advantage.

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            Sadly, the fairness doctrine doesn’t seem like it was particularly constitutional. I suppose you could argue that a corporation has no right to free speech. Getting into that debate would be complicated. But that seems like the only way to fix this.

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    Do Americans know the history of Arlington? I was quite amazed to learn how it became a military cemetery. Not hanging Robert Lee and the other high-ranking traitors is perhaps the biggest single mistake in US history. He is still the highest ranking US soldier to ever betray his country, no?

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      I think Benedict Arnold was a higher rank, but I guess it depends on if the US counted as a “country” at that time. Lee was a colonel when he betrayed the US and became a general under the Confederacy, while Arnold was a general at the time he betrayed the US.

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      Reconstruction did funny stuff and the mindsets at the time were different. The entire idea of the civil war centered around if we had a federal or confederated government. The confederate argument was states had to ratify the constitution, so therefore they could deratify and break away. Looking back this is obviously wrong, but a large minority of people believed this at the time, including the 15th President I believe. On the other hand, since Lee surrendered unconditionally, the thought process was you don’t kick the man while he’s down. Plus many men in the Union still considered Lee a heroic American figure. Not imprisoning him most likely led to an easier surrender by the rest of the Confederate forces and less paramilitary actions. Reconstruction further limited the punishment of top officials which was a mistake, though there was 0 chance they could end the thoughts and ideals that led to jim crow and the kkk, they could have certainly limited it.

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        Looking back this is obviously wrong

        I suppose it was obviously wrong in practice because the Union’s greater population and industrial capacity made a Union victory almost inevitable, but I wouldn’t say it was obviously wrong as a legal theory. The US was created by people who thought they had a moral right to leave the British empire and in that context it would be odd for them to intend that there should be no legal way for any state to leave the USA.

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          My understanding is that the US constitution was adopted illegally, anyway. The previous government didn’t have a mechanism to do a full rewrite, I don’t think. The adoption of the constitution via “fuck it, this isn’t working” was almost in living memory at the time of the civil war.

          I think the way US history is taught tends to be very civic religion-y

          But also like fuck the slave states.

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      Remember that Benedict Arnold is famous for that. Not saying anyone beats Lee, just that this happens from time to time.