Yeah, I think there’s some sort of survivorship bias going on to encourage accelerationists. They identify the successes and never hear about all the terrible failures. Sometimes making things worse does actually result in mass movements. It’s just that that’s pretty rare and usually it just makes things worse without an awakening, sometimes disastrously. But if it does happen it’ll cause a lot of change and end up in the history books. And in the event it doesn’t the accelerationists probably won’t even be mentioned in the description of the dark times they helped usher in.

And the big problem with all of this is that if people know you’re doing accelerationism, it’s a lot less likely to make people believe in your cause because it just seems like you’re playing a game and detached from people’s actual lives. Because to some extent that’s true and you are.

I never said anything about IQ. IQ is a bullshit measure.

I don’t think accelerationists are intelligent because they don’t understand the consequences of their actions.

If they get 5% of what?

You are a liar, sowing disinformation and are either a foreign asset or straight up troll.

You know what would actually give these charlatans legitimacy? Running down ballot candidates in various states, getting elected in city councils, state legislatures. Getting a voice in naming and affirming state officials and judges. You know, actually functioning as a political party. What doesn’t do anything is running a No-Win Presidential Candidate.

Every single third party candidate for president at this point is a literal foreign agent whether they know it or not.

too bad they are so unpopular and incompetent! Only 20% of the way there!

You can’t even be self-consistent from moment to moment. So which is it. Are both parties fascistic, as you claimed above. In which case no matter how much any third-party garnered from the vote. They would never get any matching funds. Or are you suddenly acknowledging that you’re full of shit. And actively working to get actual fascists elected?

…Elections? After his next term? Would you put your life on the line to guarantee we will have any?

And on that chance we don’t…

Could you console me in the labor camps or take my breath away with your strategies before the gas chamber does?

No. Your social media empathy does not extend to those within your reach. The golden light of your halo is as inert as the neon gas inside it.

Disrupt as you see fit, create whatever new claims you need and just leave us alone to our death then. I will not play your game. I will not assist in any form, a Trump election victory.

If they manage to hit 5% of the vote this election, which of course would mean a Trump win, then they will in no way, shape, or form have guaranteed ballot access in the next election. They’ll be lucky if they aren’t in prison or worse.

This person who’s going around calling herself a socialist, and also risking Trump getting elected, is showing an incredible level of thick-headed cluelessness as to what he plans to have the police and military do to anything that looks any type of left-wing, over the course of his second term.

They also won’t hit 5%, but that’s not even the main concern here.

So you get 5%, then what? We know that Stein is trying to upset Harris, but let’s play along.

You get federal funding for the 2028 election. Say you win the White house, shit pigs could fly. They run damn near zero state or federal seats. They get in with a Democrat or Republican House/Senate and does nothing.

Defunding the military would be by congress, they set the budget. Funding overseas wars, congress. You could block them but run the chance of a veto. Third parties have zero desire for change. They want power but without a foundation.

Plan and simple, third parties are being pushed for a Trump victory. Most people claim to care what is happening. What about Syria, Yemen, Sudan, and Iran? Trump watched all of those places burn and still burning. I don’t hear Stein talking about a single one.

No, I remember. It’s roach stomping season.

These people are not progressives.

And it pisses me off to no end that they’re trying to co-opt the Progressive label. No. Fuck you, get out. Tankies, accelerationists, and bothsidesers are NOT Progressives.

Okay, this is fair. I consider myself a progressive too, and I said that in jest. I do stand with progressives. “accelerationist” is way more accurate, and I absolutely despise people who think that letting the system collapse and crush all the people at the bottom is somehow going to start a revolution. You have to be very privileged and certain that you won’t be at the bottom getting crushed.

This. 100% this. If you want progress, you have to stop and look at who will be in office in January. Donald Trump…or Kamala Harris. No other names will take that Oath of Office, and this was set back all the way in July. If you wanted Progressive McProgressivestein in office, that person needed to be ran in the Primaries for the Democratic Party in July, which meant that candidate needed to be introduced to people long before then, as early as January 2020. And if your idea candidate didn’t win the Primaries, that means you couldn’t convince enough Democrats to vote for your candidate, and if you can’t convince Democrats to vote your guy or gal, how can you convince enough AMERICANS?

You can’t oppose fascism by being unable to identify it either. But that’s never stopped you.

This is such a dumb argument. Yes, what Israel is doing to Palestine is horrific. Yes, our government is tacitly supporting this by funding Israel and providing them with bombs. Yes, Kamala Harris is soft on Israel despite this.

I don’t like it, but this narrative that Harris is somehow in favor of Genocide, while her only viable opponent is not, is complete fucking bullshit. Trump is enthusiasticly pro-Israel is is having private meetings with Netanayahu as a civilian right now - and he’s openly fighting against a ceasefire. I wish Harris was stronger on this, and would make a bigger point of stopping what Israel is doing, but she’s still the obvious lesser fucking evil.

But right now she has little to no power to do anything about it because she has both President Biden and Congress between her and the issue, and she can’t do anything about it until she is actually President. Being too strongly anti-Israel before the election could cost her the election, so from her perspective, even if she did have stronger feelings on the severity of this issue, she might strategically have to hide it for the sake of actually winning the election (literally the only thing that matter if you want a chance at implementing policy).

All I know is that between Harris and Trump, we already know what kind of president Trump is, so anyone actively campaigning to hand him another term, especially after his promises of mass-deportations, mass-arrests, criminalizing criticism of the courts, and literally “being a dictator”, you are my fucking enemy.

So, quick follow up question: When Trump wins, fascism replaces our representative democracy, and we are forced to wage a war against those who brought us here to reclaim our rights and way of life, where will you hide?