Of course.
We have better tracking for my online shopping than for actual people.
I’d personally rather not be able to be tracked like a package in most instances.
Sure, when you’re free. But if you’re under the absolute control of a government, not being able to just be lost is really important.
So you’re saying they can actually bring back people they’ve accidentally deported. Weird how that wasn’t the case before now.
Well, now there’s precedent. Gonna be harder to duck charges when we’re on the other side.
Haha nah they’ll just not do it
Tbf, the article never said that they actually found the guy and brought him back.
Not the same at all. That’s one of the good ones.
Most German citizens didn’t know about the mass killings till after the war, even most soldiers.
People being disappeared with no records being kept…
We can’t hide behind ignorance later if/when we find out people were executed. That’s the whole point of accountability, without the accountability we have to assume worst case scenario. Or else the worst case scenario will happen under the guise of incompetence and the false belief no one would do this.
Hey just so you know, it’s total bullshit that the german populace didnt know about the holocaust. Some of the civillians may not have known about the specific mechanics, but many were even aware of the gas chambers masquerading as showers, jews included.
People tried to hide behind ignorance after the fact, as I have no doubt they will try to do once this latest atrocity is done. I very much agree that simply being aware does not put us into any position different than the german population in WWII, we must strive to do better than their example.
I think how many German people knew how much of the truth back then isnt too important. Some people knew some things.
Im more concerned about the strive to do better you mentioned. What does that look like? Do we all need to start neighborhood militias?
So they said. There’s a lot of counter-evidence to it:
They kept meticulous records by using cutting-edge technology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
Amen to accountability. Using intent instead is pretty much a blank check for the privileged to oppress the average person with impunity.
They kept meticulous records by using cutting-edge technology:
They did…
But they kept it at the camps, or in secret memos only for high ranking party members.
Again, just because trump claims incompetence in the present when we ask where people are, doesn’t mean we have all the information.
trump says the Epstein list doesn’t exist too, and we haven’t seen it either…
But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Like, you’re assuming common people knew then what common people knew after. That’s a dangerous assumption when we’re living thru it
Think of how much shit comes out normally 5-10 years later. We still haven’t been hit by the really bad shit trump did his first term.
As bad as 2016-now looks, it’s an almost guaranteed that by 2045 we’re going to find out it was much worse.
Edit:
To clarify this was the (valid) justification for going after some teenage secretaries at the camps and random offices when they didn’t go after every single soldier.
Because someone had to type that shit up, a few low level people were the exception and weren’t ignorant.
That being said, if you’re a 16 year old girl some old Nazi made his secretary, you were probably going thru your own personal hell and couldn’t exactly snitch even if you wanted to.
But…
In the context of how widespread the knowledge of the camps was, it’s a relevant tidbit that backs up how few Germans really knew what was happening.
Yeah, it’s bullshit. The exterminations were generally known amongst the German public, particularly in the East. Mass executions were even broadcast live on the radio as early as 1941. The deportations left paper trails perfectly accessible to any interested member of the public, and forced labour from the camps became a common sight in public, and with it came the public beatings and summary executions at the hands of their SS overseers.
I’m not going to do a better job than Wikipedia:
But the jist is while many were aware the Nazis wanted to do it, they weren’t aware it was really happening.
And every sign they had then, America has now…
Not sure where you’re getting your info, but Wikipedia is properly sourced and disagrees with you
Wait, what are you claiming Wikipedia is saying?
“many historians argue that Germans were provided information explicit enough to indicate that the Jewish people were being massacred”
What’s one complete article compared to a partial sentence stripped of all context?
The precise number of people who knew of the Final Solution is unknown. The larger population were at least acutely aware of the Nazi Party’s antisemitism, if not advocates of the movement themselves. Numerous perspectives emerge when examining the degrees to which the larger population were aware that antisemitic practices enabled by the Nazi Party would eventuate to ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population. However, many historians argue that Germans were provided information explicit enough to indicate that the Jewish people were being massacred.
Although the mass murder of Jews took place outside of Germany, the mass killing of Soviet prisoners of war occurred within it and at an early date. By mid 1942 an estimated 227,000 had died after being deported to Germany. Many Germans were aware of these killings. Some Germans tried to help the prisoners, by giving them food or even aiding escapees. According to the Security Service reports, many Germans called for the death of these prisoners out of fear that feeding them would reduce their own rations.[9]
Like if there’s one word that being removed from a sentence is a giant red flag…
“However” has to be up there.
Like, it’s hard to see that deliberate and unnecessary ommision as anything other than an intentional and explicit choice to bias people who didn’t click the link…
Mass executions were even broadcast live on the radio as early as 1941.
This is somewhat misleading and I assume you’re being informed by the wikipedia article?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_Nazi_Germany_and_German-occupied_Europe
Berlin Radio broadcast the mass-execution of Jews in Białystok and the burning of synagogues in July 1941.
The reference cited is a scan of the JTA daily news bulletin 1941-07-18 in which it is stated
In reporting on the execution of Jews in Bilaystock by German soldiers, the Berlin radio stated that a search for arms was conducted by the invading troops in the burning synagogues “where large armament stores were found”.
This isn’t a direct source for the radio broadcast but we can surmise that a person living in Germany at the time, who heard that a search for weapons was conducted and persons executed as a result during war time, may have been misled by the context into believeing that either these executions were not widespread or unlawful.
Not to mention that not everyone would have heard the broadcast to begin with. Media is much more accessible today than it was in 1941.
You need to consider how a reasonable person may interpret such news and the way the news was delivered, propaganda was not (and still isn’t) well understood by the public.
The deportations left paper trails perfectly accessible to any interested member of the public
While there were paper trails these weren’t exactly being handed out to the public, and anyone asking too many questions would have faced suspicion as a spy, traitor, communist or Jewish sympathiser.
and forced labour from the camps became a common sight in public, and with it came the public beatings and summary executions at the hands of their SS overseers.
Executions were typically done out of sight of the general populace, especially at the start.
By painting everyone in Germany as complicit you’re ignoring the reality, that information can be controlled by a Government, that it can skew public perception with propaganda, and that people were often living in fear of their lives by the time they did find out.
What was happening then was every bit as out in the open as what’s going on today is. It was documented, it was reported, there was audio and video and still a third of the population refused to believe it while another third was cheering it on.
how is this fucking real
Corporations being people and money being speech is the less-than-fun little answer to that very important query.
Because we let it…
Gross oversimplification, but that’s the social contract.
This happened because we let it, and it continues to happen because we continue to let it.
The least we can do is be honest about it.
We kept doing the same thing over and over because the odds of something different working were low.
Sounding more and more like the founding fathers. Don’t deport his Mexican, he owns that one.
Fucking sick bastard.
I just had a mental image in my head of Hitler being furious after finding out that a Jewish employee he deems as “one of the good ones” is sent to the concentration camp. I can imagine the race against time by Hitler himself to save his employee before being locked in to the gas chamber.
Hitler did surprisingly have some close Jewish friend that he let slide. I’ll have to see if i can find that documentary i saw that in. I think it was from one of Mark Felton’s channels on YouTube.
Most bigots that I’ve met and interacted with (I don’t go around placing this label on random folks, just those that genuinely earned that title) have their “exceptions” to their unbased hatred. These people operate purely off of emotion not logic. Some of them didn’t even tokenize their friend they just have gargantuan gaps in their logic.
I’m torn,
because that sounds like a fantastic premise for a movie…
There’s an opportunity there to invent a homoerotic subplot and use it in a sequel to The Producers.
Springtime For Hitler II: Winter Is Coming
2 Fast 2 Führer
You can’t deport the ones he already owns…
Juarez “had worked for more than a decade at a Trump Organization golf club in New York,” noted the report, and suddenly found himself expelled from the United States.
This is why they’re not charging employers for hiring undocumented immigrant workers.
I know this would be a slap on the wrist but if this guy actually illegally entered the country and was employed there, that the company was breaking the law and should be investigated as well to determine the fines/possible criminal charges.
Agreed. I’d go so far as to say the employer should be the only one on the hook in this situation, and the the immigrant should be considered a victim of exploitation and granted asylum.
I have never understood why this isn’t the case.
Let’s deport Melania next along with Vance’s wife.
Then Rafael ‘Ted’ Cruz
Shapiro too since he’s Jewish
although I’m having a bit of a time figuring out if the US loves or hates Jews right now, it’s confusing to me
MAGA loves Jews when they are in Israel. They don’t want them here. According to them Jewish Americans are liberal, and “control the banks and Hollywood, etc.” so in reality they don’t like the Jewish but support them not being here. It is an unholy alliance.
I’d argue MAGA loves Israel and hates Jews, they just hate Muslims more, putting their specific support in perspective
Let this serve as a warning to all who support fascism. Once these people have no use for you, you’ll be who they go after next…
