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      Neither. Even their supporters aren’t this stupid. The politicians are lying, and their supporters are lying to us about being that stupid. They are literally fascists who are taking advantage of the benefit of the doubt extended by merely stupid people.

      2025 Republicans are not adequately explained by stupidity - it is malice.

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    "A great American city is on the precipice of being run by a communist who has publicly embraced a terroristic ideology,”

    I’d love for reporters to start pushing politicians when they say dumb shit. Don’t just let them say it and then gawk at the camera like you’re Jim from the office or move on with questions.

    “in what way are you concluding that Mr. Mamdani is a communist? Are you aware of the difference between communism and socialism, and could you explain how he is a communist?”

    “what terrorist ideology? waits for answer In what way is this the ideology of a terrorist?”

    Show that they have no idea what the words they spew mean. Show that they’re just using buzzwords that sound scary.

    And then give the facts.

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      Too often they treat what these people say as if it the news itself. Unbiased, and a source of truth. Reporting has just become gossip repeating the worse people say.

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        This really is a big problem, “look at what this person said” type stories are basically how Donald Trump Rose to power, his words quoted as if they were the news itself, without any sort of filtering to fact checking. If he had simply been reported as lying without repeating the LIE his power would be significantly reduced

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        It’s a consequence of access journalism. And the false notion that neutrality is possible. The grain of wood is biased. The proteins that make up our body and its biological functions fold in a biased way. The fundamental particles and fields of the universe have biases too.

        There is nothing wrong with bias as long as it is biased in favor of the truth. Performative neutrality, presenting two positions weakly/lazily as equally plausible. It has no value. If we lived in a society where individuals not only had the time, but desire to independently research everything for themselves as well. This wouldn’t be such a problem. But we don’t.

        People read reporting and articles to be informed. When the reporting doesn’t present anything definitive other than party A said one thing and party B said another thing. Then the reader simply chooses the one they prefer. Regardless of the facts.

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      if only…

      i don’t really ever watch news anymore, but when I did I would scream at the television, “ASK A FUCKING FOLLOW-UP QUESTION”

      I don’t know what is being taught as journalism anymore but it seems to be just take the statement, get the sound bite, and think up a clickbaitable title.

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        I know people who got journalism degrees. They work in other areas now. You can’t have true journalism when the powers that be don’t want to rock the gravy boat.

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    “If Mamdani lied on his naturalisation documents, he doesn’t get to be a citizen, and he certainly doesn’t get to run for mayor of New York City. A great American city is on the precipice of being run by a communist who has publicly embraced a terroristic ideology,” Representative Andy Ogles from the Republican party said in an October 29 news release, after asking US Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate Mamdani.

    Andy Ogles you are pathetic. Have you considered calling him a poopoo head?

    Republican.

    Ah!

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        or to Musk? it is a fact he lied on his naturalization documents regarding his studies and employment. nothing will be done.

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    Every single Dem politician should be screaming about this at the top of their lungs. This is a direct threat to them as well, but they’re not gonna do it.

    Why?

    Because AIPAC and their billionaire donors are telling them to stand down.

    Establishment Dems put more effort into resisting Mamdani than they put into resisting Trump since 2016.

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      Dude literally said they spent more trying to fight him than they would be taxed. It really is just a dick measuring contest with rich people. They do not take risk assessment seriously.

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      Can you share some source for this aipac claim? I mean, fuck aipac, but I just want to make sure we don’t go down the shouting about the evil Jewish billionaires controlling everything route.

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        There’s no “source”, AIPAC deals directly with politicians and those discussions are not public. But we know that AIPAC gives lots of money to Democrats to the point that they can and have dictated policy, and we know that AIPAC’s spokesperson has been on national news shows specifically to fearmonger about Mamdani both before and after the election. Most direct source here is gonna be using your noggin.

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        Brother in Christ, Democrats have been controlled opposition for quite some time. It wasn’t until Bernie, AOC, Mamdani, and others of their class that began to stand out from the Establishment. With Citizens United, there isn’t much of a difference in terms of which party sucks Corporate dick.

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        Cuomo is one of war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu’s legal defense team members. He has worked tirelessly on behalf of AIPAC for years.

        Regardless, AIPAC gets all its special favors for terrorist state Israel by complete regulatory capture in the US. It’s how they’ve convinced Americans to give up their own constitutional right to free speech - if you criticize Israel too harshly, American gestapo will arrest you.

        So, of course they consider Mamdani an existential threat. Once voters realize socialist policies help them in a tangible way instead of further funneling money to billionaires like Miriam Adelson, there is going to be a political reckoning resulting in AIPAC having no power and Israel being left to fend for itself without US intervention. They’re terrified of this scenario.

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          It’s also been baked into law that if you are an independent contractor, you cannot be offered government contracts if you criticize Israel.

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        I think if you don’t know the roll AIPAC has played in modern politics, it’s on you to go get a baseline education. It s not something some one should have to educate you on in a short form post. They’ve played a transformative role in US politics and are practicing why we can’t have nice things as a country.

        I’m not saying the interest isn’t valid, but I also feel like understanding AIPAC is table stakes in US politics

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          I’m not saying the influence of AIPAC isn’t important, but I feel like being a patronizing twat instead of seizing a moment to help educate someone on the topic isn’t a great way to welcome people to the cause.

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            To be fair, he WAS being a patronizing twat to a patronizing twat who was hinting that any criticism of AIPAC might be antisemitic like the Dem leadership keeps doing every time anyone criticizes their favorite fascist apartheid regime.

            Also, politeness or lack of same aside, AIPAC IS big and influential enough that there’s no excuse to not know about them when discussing American politics and prejudice against Muslim politicians.

            It’s the equivalent of never having heard of Citizens United, the Heritage Foundation, or the Federalist Society.

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              Exactly and I’m not even saying that it’s not ok to be interested, just that, like if you don’t know who or what AIPAC is coming into a political discussion forum, this ain’t the place to start.

              Like you couldn’t have gotten through 2023-2025 being even adjacent to politics and not have developed some understanding of the role in US politics.

              And, honestly, it’s hard to evaluate how important AIPAc really is to US politics. We readily acknowledge things like the Heritage foundation or project for a new American century, but we rarely discuss what interests are have idealogically captured the Democratic party.

              I’m trying to find the exact quote, because I heard it referenced on a podcast and I’m not sure Schumer actually said this, but the circumstantial evidence is strong, that Schumer specifically did not endorse Mamdani because he sees his primary role as serving Israel. I want to dig into this more later because that’s an astonishing admission if true.

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      It really doesn’t matter with this administration. They have shown time and time again that the old adage of “better to ask for forgiveness than permission” unfortunately works pretty effectively. Ffs the turd is adjudicated guilty of fucking rape… FUCKING RAPE and is very likely a pedo to boot, and a third of the country voted for him!

      If you’re born lucky, you live your life without consequences. There is no just god, smoke crack and worship no one.

    • There’s a lot of shenanigans they could do within the law (not even mentioning the stuff they could do outside of the law):

      If they “find” evidence of any crime committed before his oath ceremony, yes, it’s possible. Within 5 years of naturalization, if they “find” evidence of “terrorist” or “communist” associations, yes.

      Also, denaturalization is not done in a criminal court, it’s a civil trial, below the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard of proof that a criminal trial would require. I’m not sure if a jury is even required.

      Just an example: If they find a video of him smoking weed an hour before his oath ceremony, technically that could be used against him, marijuana is still illegal under the controlled substance act. Not sure how that would practically play out in court tho.

      I’m actually kinda worried for myself. I have no idea exactly how clean/by-the-books my parent’s tax records are or if their taxes are even done correctly, if they did anything shady, and if it happened before my mom got citizenship, she could lose citizenship and I would lose it too. So… yea… no wonder why I can’t sleep these days.

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      There’s a hidden division in your question, whether intentional or not. “Can” they do that. Do you mean “are they legally allowed to do that”, or “do they have the power to do that”?
      In the former, no. In the later, possibly, yes.

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    Nazis did that to the Jews. First they’d torment them (check), then they’d strip them of their citizenship (almost there), then they’d “deport” them to camps (we got those, so check), then they’d exterminate them with Zyklon B (we’re not there yet, but soon).

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    Assuming Mamdani is a commie and a radical islamist, he made no attempt to hide it - as evidenced by the fact that the very fascists who want to strip him of his citizenship are themselves aware of it.

    This naturally leads to the following question: what do the fascists make of the fact that a majority New Yorkers voted for him, thereby indicated that they WANT a communist islamist running their city?

    Are the fascists implying that most New Yorkers are fucking morons who can’t see a dangerous individual when they see one, or that a majority of New Yorkers should be either deported or thrown in the slammer for communist tendencies and terrorism?

    What the fascists fail to realize is that they’re spitting in the face of several million people and insulting their intelligence, and that sure as hell won’t earn them any good will.

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    With the squawking of the Rs, and the deafening silence from the Ds not pushing back and making this a talking point, every establishment figure is scared of this guy.

    Good.

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      The establishment Democrats might have signed their own death sentence by attacking Zohran Mamdani