Either he didn’t think he’d be caught, didn’t give a fuck, or just isn’t mentally competent.
There is a fourth option: he’s human, and shit happens.
While he knew he was leaving the VP’s residence regardless, he was the legit VP right up until noon on Inauguration day and still had to handle the material as part of his job right up to that day.
The point I am trying to make is that Biden handled this just as any other top official has: immediately figure out what needed to be returned and return it voluntarily.
Trump is the outlier not because he happened to hold materials, but because of his total disdain for any other person telling him what to do.
Hur went way beyond his duty to figure out whether Biden’s transgressions were severe enough to be charged, and went into value judgements that had nothing to do with the matter at hand.
So, to be clear, you’re saying Biden completely forgot about this stuff for five years?
Trump is the outlier not because he happened to hold materials, but because of his total disdain for any other person telling him what to do.
No, trump wanted to be the one to determine if there was anymore. He lost and the FBI checked.
Biden has his lawyers check, and then (to my knowledge) the FBI didn’t search Biden’s areas.
That’s the difference. When trump did it, we all agreed he couldn’t be trusted.
When Biden did it, suddenly we could take someone’s word, when they kept talking about potential investigations, suddenly Biden and trump both claimed they just found more and turned those over after saying there wasn’t more.
But FBI still searched Trump’s property, I don’t think the FBI ever searched Biden.
Am I saying they were equally bad?
Nope.
I’m saying that they both broke serious regulations. And I don’t give a fuck if one has the right letter by their name.
Consequences should be the same regardless of who I agree with more.
So, to be clear, you’re saying Biden completely forgot about this stuff for five years?
I still have a few boxes that are packed from the last time I moved, and that was much more than 5 years ago. I’m sure I’ll get to looking at them someday.
If any of those boxes contained classified documents and you weren’t an already established politician you’d be Chelsea Manning’d into years of solitary confinement though.
True, but this is where Presidents and VPs get some special treatment, because so much of their work involves classified materials, they are “working” 24/7, and have no practical way to separate their personal and workplace spaces. So it is logistically much easier for them to simply retain something they shouldn’t have by putting it in the wrong pile. Manning, on the other hand, had a clear space where they needed to interact with that info, separate from their personal space. There are far more controls in place for someone at Manning’s level than for the VP or President.
That doesn’t mean breaches shouldn’t be taken seriously at the highest levels, but they do get the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe if it makes a difference if you live on the grounds of the US Naval Observatory and your official residence is also a place authorized to hold all that information. That makes it more likely to mix it up with your old Amtrak ticket stubs.
Seriously, it makes since to have the opinion you do if that’s what happened. But that’s not what happened.
So please. Take the time to read it before taking to social media to defend Biden on this. That’s what trumpets do. We can be better. We can have better candidates.
But only if we care about actual facts and have actual standards.
If both parties act like Republicans, all of us are fucked.
There is a fourth option: he’s human, and shit happens.
While he knew he was leaving the VP’s residence regardless, he was the legit VP right up until noon on Inauguration day and still had to handle the material as part of his job right up to that day.
The point I am trying to make is that Biden handled this just as any other top official has: immediately figure out what needed to be returned and return it voluntarily.
Trump is the outlier not because he happened to hold materials, but because of his total disdain for any other person telling him what to do.
Hur went way beyond his duty to figure out whether Biden’s transgressions were severe enough to be charged, and went into value judgements that had nothing to do with the matter at hand.
Immediately?
It was over five years later…
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-timeline-of-the-discovery-and-disclosure-of-classified-records-tied-to-biden
So, to be clear, you’re saying Biden completely forgot about this stuff for five years?
No, trump wanted to be the one to determine if there was anymore. He lost and the FBI checked.
Biden has his lawyers check, and then (to my knowledge) the FBI didn’t search Biden’s areas.
That’s the difference. When trump did it, we all agreed he couldn’t be trusted.
When Biden did it, suddenly we could take someone’s word, when they kept talking about potential investigations, suddenly Biden and trump both claimed they just found more and turned those over after saying there wasn’t more.
But FBI still searched Trump’s property, I don’t think the FBI ever searched Biden.
Am I saying they were equally bad?
Nope.
I’m saying that they both broke serious regulations. And I don’t give a fuck if one has the right letter by their name.
Consequences should be the same regardless of who I agree with more.
I still have a few boxes that are packed from the last time I moved, and that was much more than 5 years ago. I’m sure I’ll get to looking at them someday.
If any of those boxes contained classified documents and you weren’t an already established politician you’d be Chelsea Manning’d into years of solitary confinement though.
True, but this is where Presidents and VPs get some special treatment, because so much of their work involves classified materials, they are “working” 24/7, and have no practical way to separate their personal and workplace spaces. So it is logistically much easier for them to simply retain something they shouldn’t have by putting it in the wrong pile. Manning, on the other hand, had a clear space where they needed to interact with that info, separate from their personal space. There are far more controls in place for someone at Manning’s level than for the VP or President.
That doesn’t mean breaches shouldn’t be taken seriously at the highest levels, but they do get the benefit of the doubt.
Except for four of those five years, he wasn’t a part of the bus government in any capacity…
Eh, maybe because I have to take annual training on the handling of classified materials, but I don’t just mix em up with bowling trophies.
And the stuff I deal with is way less important and confidential, obviously
Maybe if it makes a difference if you live on the grounds of the US Naval Observatory and your official residence is also a place authorized to hold all that information. That makes it more likely to mix it up with your old Amtrak ticket stubs.
Bruh, even if that was true, that wasn’t the only place he left records, that wasn’t even the first place he turned them in from.
And after insisting he turned everything in, the FBI still found more documents after he fought them searching…
The report is public, there’s no excuse to not know what’s in it if you actually care.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/08/politics/robert-hur-report-biden-classified-documents-read/index.html
Seriously, it makes since to have the opinion you do if that’s what happened. But that’s not what happened.
So please. Take the time to read it before taking to social media to defend Biden on this. That’s what trumpets do. We can be better. We can have better candidates.
But only if we care about actual facts and have actual standards.
If both parties act like Republicans, all of us are fucked.
If you’re actually this upset about Biden you must be furious at Trump.
If you check his history, it’s pretty clear he’s only here to sew doubt about Biden.