I don’t see how the AI assistant won’t eventually just end up on the smartphone. And, given that it’s not always appropriate to talk out loud to your phone, being able to use it with a screen makes it the perfect device for it.
There’s totally a use case for a peripheral like a watch… But it’s only so you don’t have to pull your phone out of your pocket.
That’s why they made it a pin.
Sure you can sell an app on the App Store, but most people won’t pay more than 5 bucks for an app, and even that’s stretching it. And the subscription market is already over saturated. So how do you make a boatload of cash? Sell overpriced hardware that needs to be “upgraded” every year or 2 to use new features, and include a subscription to use the thing in the first place.
They wanted to pull an Apple and lock people into their hardware ecosystem. I guarantee there was a plan for them to release an AI phone in the next 5 years if this thing did well.
What they missed is Apple products are generally pleasant to use on a daily basis. From what everyone said, this thing was hot garbage and slow to respond to queries.
It will just come as standard with phones. Apple made a deal with OpenAI so it’s only a matter of time until Samsung does the same. Then it becomes a selling point for the device.
As someone who doesn’t wear a watch, having a little fob that I could use to activate Siri without digging my phone out of my pocket would be pretty nice. If it were a phone peripheral it probably would have been a lot better.
Yeah, that’s all correct, but sometimes you just have to admit that the idea in that form is not good and don’t make a product out of it…
“MKBHB takes out another company” /s
How do you actually get the oil from the snake though?
Turn them into bovine fodder, then get the oil from the bullshit.
I’m also be seeking for a 1 billion payout
At least my product is working as intended
Huh - so it turns out people liked how smartphones consolidated all their various devices into one?
I guess the era of the hardware app is over…
You can’t conclude that from this. The fact that there was hype and excitement about this supports an interest in the concept. This was simply utterly horrible execution and that is all.
Which hype? lol. Everyone hated this idea since reveal.
I just disagree and/or read different sources. There was considerable hype regarding this device across numerous tech sources and many people liked and still do like the idea. Clearly you don’t think everyone hated it do you? Using words like everyone or no one almost always means your sample is off or your are projecting an opinion.
Yeah, I don’t doubt there were people who were really hyped out of their minds for this. But it’s my impression they were a minority. Almost all press around the device was extremely skeptical, and only a few were cautiously excited. I follow a lot of tech circles in social media and there wasn’t really a buzz about the pin. But, I think the proof is in the pudding. 10,000 sales is not exactly evidence of an extremely popular device. Even if the end result was bad, if there was a lot of hype, one would expect higher sales. After all we knew the price and conditions of sales (subscription) for a long time before release.
I don’t think that’s the pudding. The device had a high bar for entry with its price and was a very novel tech device. Most people interested in the concept likely were reticent to pre-order and wanted to wait for early adopter reports to surface. I maintain that there is a viable market and sufficient enthusiasm for the technology / concept that the company promised, but obviously not the one they delivered.
I mean, sure. Several startups are making bank selling AI, not to individuals, but to companies. There is no money to be made long term on mediocre chatbots. No matter in what form factor they come, and unfortunately, this and the rabbit thing poisoned the market and clearly marked anything AI as a scam on buyer’s minds.
Edit: also, if the hype were really that high for such a device, then the rabbit should’ve sold a lot more units, since it was the budget version of the humane pin. But that wasn’t the case either. And now everyone knows both companies were just pump and dump scams.
Rabbit r1 garnered $10million in pre-order sales. How many should it have sold to impress you? The first 5 batches I think sold out within a day or days, production of the units appeared to be the bottleneck until people actually got a hold of them and reported on how awful they were.
You just seem bent on this whole issue. Is there a point you want to make? Or are you just upset about AI stuff in general?
I don’t know about that. That a LOT of people liked that reveal TED talk.
If this was half the price, could hold a charge, didn’t start fires, and didn’t pull your shirt down, then it would still be dumb, but you’d probably have enough people buying it to keep the company alive.
That was a year ago, with 2 million views and 39k likes. That is not sign of hype. Specially when contrasted directly to the reality of sales.
Dear lord, you can see on the TED talk when he does the obviously planned big reveal, Imran Chaudhri doesn’t even get an applause. He actually pauses a few times in the conference waiting for the audience to applaud and nothing happens a couple of times. When he makes jokes almost nobody laughs. There’s even a point where he jumps the gun and says thank you before the spontaneous applause™ happens. That has to be the most cringe TED talk in history (and that’s hard because almost all of TED in the past 5 years is cringe), other than the fact it was just an obvious ad.
I actually agree. I would cite the Playdate as a counterexample.
Thinking about the cost of maintenance, liabilities, and ethical/moral decisions
- you couldn’t pay me enough to take on that company
good luck to anyone else thinking otherwise
Tell me it’s being bought by a data mining company?
What an insane valuation, lol. I wonder how gullible their seeders/initial investors were when they pitched the company initially. Needing to get that much money to settle bills and debts just blows my mind. Shit like this is why I sold my AMD shares at its peak a few months ago and why it’s probably worth considering selling Nvidia now as it’s peaking. The AI boom may peak a bit higher, but I think the frenzy is going to begin waning within the next ~6 months as more and more investors realize the tech is still very limited outside of backend enterprise use (e.g. using LLMs to ingest all your SOPs, regulations, technical documents, etc. and then make it available for employees to query for random work questions).
But who knows, I’ve been wrong before.
Ed Zitron is going to have a field day with this one.
I listen to Better Offline and I’m as jaded and cynical as the rest of us, but even I find some of his episodes to much to take.
Like he has no impartiality at all, particularly his takes on LLMs. Our small company of software developers and engineers have saved so much time with Visual Studio CoPilot. The fact is there are uses where they’re extremely useful; just maybe not as the MSM portrays it.
He does get a bit ranty. I still appreciate his take though. Some of the LLMs are super helpful for me for some tasks, but the hype cycle for AI is really a lot to take and it does warrant some actual pushback against it. I can tell I’m becoming more of an old man, but it’s nice to have someone else confirm how bad the Internet is becoming. It’s almost like a hazy dream for me of back in the early days when it was just people sharing weird stuff with each other and not the active battle to fend off ads and scummy sites to find things.
This is an assumption but he’s just preaching to the choir at this point. I don’t see him having a mainstream audience and the only people that listen are people that already know how fucked everything is.
Also, so many ads. Like sure he’s got to make a living but he’s doing it in the very system he opposes.
I’m sure there’s some MBA douche stupid enough to buy it.
I could see Apple buying it. The form factor makes sense, it’s the fact that it relies on AI and has its own cell connection are the main issues. If I could tap it and have Siri take dictation or take a picture of something to get more information it would be pretty neat.
Does it though? Having it pull down your shirt, having to rely on projecting a GUI on your hand, and being unable to hear it in loud environments all seem like pretty strong limitations of the form factor
I’d drop the projector interface, as cool as it is, since you have a phone for that. Maybe make it a pendant as well as a pin.
Apple’s got a lot of experience with using tiny speakers in loud places, so I bet they could figure out something maybe using directional microphones. Plus, again, you’ve got the phone so you can use the headphones.
If you drop the projector, then airpods already do it better when paired with the watch. There’s no point in such a device at all, then.
Airpods don’t have a camera though. 90% of my photos are of things I need to remember, like a shopping list or a specific product I need to get Having to dig out (or find) my phone to do that is a pain.
And I don’t have Airpods because I’d lose them, one by one, and the replacements are twice the price as another pair of perfectly workable Bluetooth headphones.
If they wanted to companies could put a camera in a smart watch easily. Samsung was doing it ages ago.
My kids have a crappy watch ($30-40) that has a camera. It’s not a technical problem, it’s just a stupid idea, it’s not an ergonomic place to use a camera.
Which would be great if I wore a watch, but I don’t
What about the Meta Ray bands?
The time before I lose a pair of glasses is inversely proportional to how much I pay for them. If I spent $400 on glasses they would likely disappear off my face before I left the store
I don’t need any hardware that does something my phone already does.
I don’t understand this reverse consolidation these companies think people want.
Apple already have the perfect form factor, it’s called a phone.
Or, if you want something smaller, they have a watch.
Or if you want something bigger they have glasses.
What if I don’t wear a watch?
Why on earth would apple buy this shitty android device? And feature wise, they can just make the airpods into an AI device paired with your phone or watch.
10k orders huh… How many returns though?
Inevitably. That’s the goal of most tech startups; hype themselves up and sell out for as many millions as possible. Meanwhile honest labor, education, and trades workers can’t afford houses.
Given the amount of money they’re looking for, guessing it’s for the unreleased products in the pipeline and their patents. Anyone who buys them is not purchasing their v1 product.
HP is reportedly one of the companies that Humane was in talks with over a potential sale
They didn’t learn the lesson with webos? They lost billions even if that was a good os with good phones.
Can’t imagine anyone wanting to buy this company for more than 1million and that’s just because of patents and devs (acquihire - where the buyer is only interested in ip and devs and doesn’t care at all about the actual product)
Humane as a company is worth the cost of exactly 10,000 units.
